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    Vietnam again. The memories from a old war. Now a new war begins slowly.
    How much sea lanes does a country own and when it crosses into another
    country how would it react? Now that Vietnam has some Kilo subs...



    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...us_water_fight
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    China's muscular efforts to extend its control over broad reaches of the South China Sea have already clashed -- literally -- with neighboring countries such as Vietnam and the Philippines that appear increasingly determined to push back against Beijing.
    Just days after Beijing dispatched an oil rig to waters claimed by both China and Vietnam, Chinese naval vessels apparently rammed and damaged at least one Vietnamese patrol boat in the area. Though no shots were reported to have been fired, Vietnamese media said Chinese ships used water cannons to enforce an unusually large three-mile no-go zone the Chinese have established around the rig.
    The incident, the latest escalation in a regional flashpoint already primed for conflict, underscores the lengths China seems prepared to go to defend its ambitious territorial claims as well as the unintended consequences of China's take-no-prisoners approach to foreign relations. More specifically, experts on the region said that China risks creating a coalition of the exasperated among the oft-bickering nations of Southeast Asia who are increasingly speaking out against Beijing's aggressive territorial claims.

    What's more, by picking a fight with Vietnam, China could complicate its relationship with Russia. Moscow has assiduously cultivated closer ties with Vietnam in part to hedge against Chinese expansion in Southeast Asia. Russia will finance and build the construction of new nuclear reactors in Vietnam, which will tie the two countries together in an energy relationship for decades, for example.
    The two countries are even closer when it comes to defense. Hanoi's most ambitious recent arms purchase was the acquisition of six modern, Kilo-class Russian submarines -- meant explicitly to give Vietnam more naval muscle to deal with China's rapidly growing navy. Russia has sold Vietnam a number of other naval vessels, including frigates and small craft, and is trying to lock up a supply arrangement for its own ships at Vietnam's Cam Ranh Bay naval facility. The moves are widely seen as a part of a concerted Russian bid to rebuild its influence in the region and check Chinese expansion in Asia. China and Russia have had a sharp geopolitical rivalry for years along their huge border, and growing Chinese influence in Central and Southeast Asia has Russia nervous about China becoming too dominant in Asia.
    The new clashes came Saturday and Sunday, when Vietnamese patrol boats sailed to an area of the South China Sea about 140 miles off the Vietnamese coast, but which lies in waters also claimed by Beijing, to protest the arrival of China's first deepwater oil rig, the massive, billion-dollar Haiyang Shiyou 981.
    Chinese naval and coast guard vessels sent to escort the rig outnumbered and outgunned the Vietnamese force, police officials said at a press conference in Hanoi, and pounced on the Vietnamese ships. Officials in Hanoi said the most serious incident, the high-speed ramming of one ship on Saturday, took place about 10 miles from the rig. (Vietnamese officials presented photos of the incidents, available here.)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
    Its happened before- could certainly happen again.

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...er-vietnam-war
    war is hell for all involved.

    http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/vn_crb2.htm

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    Cam Ranh was a major US military installation during the Vietnam War. In addition to its two 10,000' runways, it had an excellent deep-water port and, due to its relatively secure location, was the site of large munitions and POL (Petroleum/Oil/Lubricants) storage site. During 1978-79 the formation of a Soviet-Vietnamese alliance led to the stationing of Soviet air and naval forces in Vietnam. Russian sailors were no strangers to Cam Ranh Bay, where czarist Russia's fleet took shelter just before its crushing defeat by the Japanese navy in 1905. The facility was used by Soviet, and later Russian forces for a variety of intellgience collection activities. The Soviet military role in Vietnam increased during the 1980s as the Soviets provided arms to Vietnam; moreover, Soviet ships enjoyed access to the harbors at Danang and Cam Ranh Bay, and Soviet reconnaissance aircraft operated out of Vietnamese airfields. Russia has withdrawn combat troops stationed in the bay, with only a few auxiliary vessels remaining. In 1993 Russia and Vietnam signed a contract to ensure the continued use of SIGINT facilities in Cam Ranh Bay. Russia wanted to continue using the electronic eavesdropping base to monitor Chinese communications in the South China Sea. The facility at Cam Ranh is well placed to monitor communications around Hainan Island, which is the most likely staging post for any Chinese push into the Spratly archipelago, and is capable of intercepting international satellite traffic from satellites with footprints that include Vietnam.

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    http://globalnation.inquirer.net/104...tes-with-china

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    NAYPYITAW, Burma—Disturbed by China’s provocation in the South China Sea, the Philippines and Vietnam urged the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean) on Sunday to make a united stand to maintain its relevance.

    At a summit hosted by Burma (Myanmar), the Philippines and Vietnam pushed for stronger action to confront China’s aggressive behavior and some Asean leaders expressed concern over China’s provocative moves against the two members of the bloc.
    But in their joint statement issued after the summit, the Asean leaders made no direct mention of China, indicating that few were willing to risk their countries’ political and economic relationship with the regional powerhouse.

    At the retreat session, President Aquino apprised the other Asean leaders of the Philippines’ encounters with China in the West Philippine Sea.
    Aquino also informed the body of the evidence the Philippines presented to the United Nations International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea in The Hague, the Netherlands, in March to support its case challenging China’s claim to 90 percent of the 3.5-million-square-kilometer South China Sea.

    “During the retreat, I put in our own incidents with regard to Ayungin [Shoal], Scarborough (Panatag Shoal), Kalayaan Island Group, Mabini Reef and the Galoc service contract,” Aquino told reporters after the retreat, referring to the Philippines’ controversies with China in the resource-rich sea.
    Aquino said many Asean leaders expressed concern over the tensions in the waterway, including one who called the latest moves of China “dangerous brinkmanship.”
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    Its getting ugly.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-1...ietnam/5452882

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    The unrest erupted on Tuesday as thousands of workers staged a walk-out to protest Beijing's deployment of an oil drilling rig in contested waters.

    The protesters targeted manufacturing companies that are owned or managed by Chinese, setting three factories on fire, the Vietnam Singapore Industrial Park said in a statement.

    There were no reports of casualties.

    Reports on Vietnamese social media sites and dissident blogs suggested that the violence had been widespread with some reports suggesting that up to a dozen factories were set ablaze.

    Authorities say 440 rioters have been arrested in connection with the anti-China protests.

    The Chinese government on Wednesday expressed serious concerns over the protests, asking Vietnam to take all necessary steps to stop and punish those responsible for the fires.

    It also "launched solemn representations... urging the Vietnamese side to ensure the safety of Chinese citizens and institutions in Vietnam," foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said.


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    Im sure Vietnam has known previously of Chinese 'hospitality'.

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    Smoldering nationalist anger in Vietnam exploded into frenzied violence in the suburbs of Ho Chi Minh City this week as thousands of rioters swept through industrial parks north of the city’s commercial hub, razing any factory believed to be Chinese owned. After more than two decades of peace, Beijing and Hanoi are at odds again.

    China’s decision earlier this month to deploy a colossal, state-owned oil rig in fiercely contested waters off the Vietnamese coast appears to have succeeded in derailing the delicate relations between the countries.

    The Chinese state press lashed out publicly at its southern neighbor on the heels of several maritime skirmishes last week, with one hawkish editorial calling on Beijing to teach Vietnam the “lesson it deserves.” The language closely resembled Chinese Premier Deng Xiaoping’s 1978 vow to teach Hanoi a “lesson” — and the echo is most unfortunate, because on that occasion the result was tens of thousands of deaths.

    Like many Vietnamese of her generation, 75-year-old Dim remembers the conflict well. During the early hours of Feb. 17, 1979, she was asleep with her husband and children in their stone cottage in farmlands outside the northern city of Cao Bang, when the sky opened up with artillery shells.

    “We didn’t have time to grab anything,” says Dim. “I just ran.”

    It was the beginning of two years of homelessness and hunger as the starving family wandered through the mountains, begging and looking for refuge. Although decades have passed since the war’s end, she still shudders with loathing of the Chinese.

    “Oh! I still hate them,” says Dim. “I’m still scared of the Chinese people, even now. I don’t know when I’ll next have to run.”

    Official memories in Vietnam, however, are far more selective. While the country proudly celebrates its victorious wars against French and American forces, Hanoi remains largely quiet about the Sino-Vietnamese War. (China’s official stance is even more muted.) But that hasn’t kept the Vietnamese people from simmering with animosity toward their historic foe.

    http://time.com/100417/china-vietnam...uth-china-sea/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_3peM4yoa4
    Chinas support for Pol Pot...
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    friendly fire. A factory burning exercise taking out the wrong targets. Well that's
    the problem with mob thinking.

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    The attacks came even though for years the Taiwanese government has encouraged businesses to set up shop in Vietnam rather than China. Vietnam was part of Taiwan’s Go South strategy of securing markets in Southeast Asia and lessening its dependence on the mainland. Taiwan is one of the largest sources of foreign direct investment in Vietnam, having poured in $28 billion over the past two decades. In 2012, the most recent year data are available from the General Statistics Office of Vietnam, Taiwanese businesses pledged to invest more than $2.6 billion in the country, making the island—which Beijing considers a breakaway province—the second-largest investor in Vietnam, behind Japan.

    http://www.businessweek.com/articles...ti-china-riots

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