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    Default PX Ranger Flat Battery

    As some of you will be aware there has been issues of people having flat batteries.
    I have have been following this with keen interest as to ascertain if the Smart charge system is up to task of keeping battery charged correctly or not or if the battery itself is capable for the purpose intended.

    In the last 6 months I have monitored my charging system of the Ranger & found it IMO to be charging the battery as intended with no problems however my battery failed last week end by showing a discharged state.

    Attempted to recharge my battery with my battery charger which is designed to charge all types of batteries whether Wet type, Gel, AGM etc with not much luck, Battery charger told it was ok but the old hydrometer test showed a discharged state, funny thing was the ranger was starting ok afterwards.
    I had taken it back to the dealer for more further tests in which their load tester indicated a battery that is in within specs of a good one & now this is where I stepped in stating the opposite as the Hydrometer test indicated a failed battery.
    The dealer kept my Ranger for two days doing a leak test just in case of excessive power drain & attempted to recharge the battery with no luck as it was discovered two cells were still down, in their opinion battery had internal fault.

    Final out come battery was replaced under warranty & the dealer has admitted they have had a Rangers back & batteries replaced.

    I do honestly believe the quality of the batteries supplied is questionable.
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    Default Re: PX Ranger Flat Battery

    I have been watching the state of my one for a few months now ,
    after fitting a voltmeter I am surprised at the low state of charge the battery is kept at ,
    now it has just gone 12 months since I got my Ranger , I am seeing the battery decline ,
    it is holding less volts overnight as time goes on .
    Put it on a charger and I can see that one cell is not gassing as much as the others ,
    back to the dealer on Friday so I will mention it to them . I suspect that nothing will happen until it fails completely !
    Especially now that I have had two warranty complaints and they will be doing their third attempt at fixing them this Friday .
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    Default Re: PX Ranger Flat Battery

    Bit busy atm but I will monitor & test the new battery to see what voltage readings the new battery will have compared to the original.
    The specs on the new battery has a higher Reserve capacity of 135RC compared to the original 85RC which is significant increase, almost same CCA rating.

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    Been looking at replacement batts lately ,
    I worry about the rating of cold cranking amps versus the ampere hour rating ,
    lower internal resistance will increase the cca ,
    only plate material quantity ( increase the thickness of the plates or the number of them ) is
    important for the a/h that people who rely on battery ' capacity ' look at .

    It seems that the headline number , the biggest number , is the main selling point !
    So cca is a bigger number ( by heaps ) than the 20hour rate , and that is what gets ' pushed ' .
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    Default Re: PX Ranger Flat Battery

    Yeah i think the batteries arent much good. mine went flat after sitting for a week. was playing around inside the car for a half an hour and went flat again. put in a bond deep cycle today and cranks better allready. ill be giving my battery to the bond rep and getting him to pull it apart and see what kind of internals are in there. (to fit the n70 size battery you have to cut some cable ties for the starter wire, get a longer hook bolt and bend the battery bracket a little bit to make it work)edit: and cut the plates on the bracket flush

    also had a customer have on go faulty after 4 months, i checked the car and it was fine and ford tried to blame the accessories that we fitted. in the end the battery was faulty and they replaced it under warranty with no issues since.

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    Default Re: PX Ranger Flat Battery

    just had my battery replaced after 650kms.
    i dont use the car much , its only used for country trips and it was purchased omly for an upcoming
    simpson desert trip in 4 days time would you mind but i do charge the battery regularly

    the dealer said it had a dead cell and was replace foc.

    BUT he impressed on me two things

    ! you cant have any accessories running , which i did not

    2 you must lock the car ,which i do not always do as various control modules keep running

    This car scares me , leave the doors open with the radio on and your screwed.

    If this car lets me down in the simpson it will be sold and i am buying an old patrol

    I am a glass half empty kind of guy but after the towing issues , zero to empty issues ,long range fuel tank issues
    lights stay on for ever if you leave door open issues, air conditioner comes on buy itself.

    Designed in australia my backside.

    just to elaborate on the tow issues.

    1 ugly oversized towbar
    2 having to buy tow module
    3 having to get a ford dealer to program module

    I will let you know how the trip goes but honestly i cant see how the car can redeem itself
    as i could have gone in my B4000 which i have no complaints about apart from its a manual and as an auto is better
    in sand and hence i bought the px ranger.

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    Default Re: PX Ranger Flat Battery

    I have noticed here & other ford forums a lot of owners are having faulty batteries being replaced by Ford.

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    Default Re: PX Ranger Flat Battery

    Quote Originally Posted by paullyj57 View Post
    just had my battery replaced after 650kms.


    I will let you know how the trip goes but honestly i cant see how the car can redeem itself
    as i could have gone in my B4000 which i have no complaints about apart from its a manual and as an auto is better
    in sand and hence i bought the px ranger.
    So you've had a battery replaced free of charge, and the car came with a tow bar the same as the demo cars, but you can't see how it can redeem itself?

    Seems like minor issues to me, but I guess that is just my perspective.

    Cheers,
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    Default Re: PX Ranger Flat Battery

    I also am seeing disturbing voltages on the volt guages i have fitted to my PX Ranger with 7000km so first thing in the morning the start battery is at 12.0v while the second battery is at 12.6 or higher. Pehaps the start of a failing battery? With 3 weeks till Simpson Desert crossing # 10 & 11 i will be watching carefully.
    Has anyone with guages fitted noticed at times the charging volts getting up around the 15v mark for short periods? Usually a couple of minutes only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C Edson View Post
    I also am seeing disturbing voltages on the volt guages i have fitted to my PX Ranger with 7000km so first thing in the morning the start battery is at 12.0v while the second battery is at 12.6 or higher. Pehaps the start of a failing battery? With 3 weeks till Simpson Desert crossing # 10 & 11 i will be watching carefully.
    Has anyone with guages fitted noticed at times the charging volts getting up around the 15v mark for short periods? Usually a couple of minutes only.
    The short duration of 15 volts will not hurt your batteries as I get this on my Ranger, I'd be bit more concerned about your OEM battery reading of 12 Volts as this indicates low charged battery.
    I had my battery replaced under warranty due to undercharged condition as the battery could not be charged up by battery charger which had two defective cells.
    If your OEM battery has caps on it then get a hydrometer to check battery condition, if low then take matter up with ford to be replaced under warranty.
    My dealer admitted to me Ford is having battery issues with Rangers.

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    Default Re: PX Ranger Flat Battery

    well I am back from my trip.

    New battery went flat twice after camping for 2 nights in one spot.

    Like the dealer said , you cant run any accessories and you have to leave the car locked .

    This means the car is not suitable for camping.

    Any body working in remote areas would be wise not to buy a ranger.

    The fuel cap ( cab chassis ) had to be broken off to refuel as it would not unlock .

    Air conditioner comes all the time by itself.

    Fuel consumption only average , not much better than my B4000, maybe 10% at best.

    Not much engine breaking which surprised me.

    Auto transmission was AWESOME in sport mode in the sand.

    I will write more later in other threads

    regards paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by paullyj57 View Post
    well I am back from my trip.

    New battery went flat twice after camping for 2 nights in one spot.

    Like the dealer said , you cant run any accessories and you have to leave the car locked .

    This means the car is not suitable for camping.

    Any body working in remote areas would be wise not to buy a ranger.

    The fuel cap ( cab chassis ) had to be broken off to refuel as it would not unlock .

    Air conditioner comes all the time by itself.

    Fuel consumption only average , not much better than my B4000, maybe 10% at best.

    Not much engine breaking which surprised me.

    Auto transmission was AWESOME in sport mode in the sand.

    I will write more later in other threads

    regards paul
    Air con coming on by itsself... was the temp knob turned right down to coldest setting or the defrost turned on? I've noticed mine does this in those situations.

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rgbenno View Post
    Air con coming on by itsself... was the temp knob turned right down to coldest setting or the defrost turned on? I've noticed mine does this in those situations.

    Cheers,
    Rick
    mine used to do this then I realised the A/C was in auto mode.
    Is your auto button lit up on the A/c control if so its just the climate control working as normal

    Rgards

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    Quote Originally Posted by oreely View Post
    mine used to do this then I realised the A/C was in auto mode.
    Is your auto button lit up on the A/c control if so its just the climate control working as normal

    Rgards

    Davo
    Just keep in mind that ,
    It is actually a good thing to have the A/C on when in defrost mode .
    This takes moisture out of the air and stops re-frosting .
    The process is always simple ,
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    Quote Originally Posted by paullyj57 View Post
    well I am back from my trip.

    New battery went flat twice after camping for 2 nights in one spot.

    Like the dealer said , you cant run any accessories and you have to leave the car locked .

    This means the car is not suitable for camping.

    Any body working in remote areas would be wise not to buy a ranger.
    Any one who goes camping in any vehicle & expects to use electrical accessories on the main battery is looking for trouble in my opinion, you should always install an auxiliary battery to avoid running down the primary vehicle battery.

    The ranger does have some quirks such as lights coming on with doors open etc but their are work a rounds to avoid power drain.

    I do go camping a lot towing a van & have not had trouble, but did have my battery replaced under warranty due to it being defective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PD56 View Post
    Any one who goes camping in any vehicle & expects to use electrical accessories on the main battery is looking for trouble in my opinion, you should always install an auxiliary battery to avoid running down the primary vehicle battery.

    The ranger does have some quirks such as lights coming on with doors open etc but their are work a rounds to avoid power drain.

    I do go camping a lot towing a van & have not had trouble, but did have my battery replaced under warranty due to it being defective.

    When did I say I ran any accessories . don't jump in mate without your facts straight.

    If you call leaving the doors open, windows down, all the lights on that ford insist you have on , I suppose they are accessories.

    Another ranger owner I met at big red had the same problem , that's the only other px ranger I saw on the trip
    and I have had the problem twice with 2 different batteries. Together with countless other blog reports , I think ford has a problem.
    So dont blame me.

    I have auxillary batteries on other vehicles and may have put one in the px but after hearing of problems I did not want to spend any money on this car
    and in any case an extra battery on this car is also a problem both electrically and also where do you put it .
    If ford had designed under the bonnet better you could put 2 in there.
    That's why I sais in an earlier comment (designed in Australia my axxxhole)

    A few of the replies to my criticisms of this car sound like they are coming from ford Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger user View Post
    Just keep in mind that ,
    It is actually a good thing to have the A/C on when in defrost mode .
    This takes moisture out of the air and stops re-frosting .
    Oh really , I would rather decide when I need defrosting rather then when some dxxxhead in Detroit says so.

    Even when starting the car after it was turned off without air off it comes on.
    Or turning on the fan with settings directed to the face with aircon off the aircon would come on.

    We were constantly turning the air con off for over 3500 kms

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    I think everyone is just trying to help and trouble shoot the problems.

    Does sound like the air con thing is different to what I was talking about.

    And I agree about the lack of room under the bonnet for auxilliary battery. Real pity they didn't make room for one when it looks like it would've been quite easy to shift some things around and leave a space. But it's not really that hard to add one somewhere else. Just needs a dc-dc charger.

    Cheers,
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    the a/c is designed to operate all the time if its climate control,with out the compressor operating it will struggle and fuel consumtion is small,and the heat it produces assist the engine cooling system.the quantity of gas/oil in the system is so small that it must circulate.the hoses and alloy will leak if not in use.the used once a week myth that in the owners manual is minimum only.

    the ranger ive been driving is a basic-not climate control- type and it hasn't turned on by itself.I have been turning it off on cold mornings and waiting the 9 km for the heater to work.yes it defrost the inside and frost the out side so you need the wipers on--and gloves,scarf.

    the ranger is the first car I had that dryed out my skin in as short of a time.even on fresh air--its just more efficient than other jap vehicles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davehoos View Post
    the a/c is designed to operate all the time if its climate control,with out the compressor operating it will struggle and fuel consumtion is small,and the heat it produces assist the engine cooling system.the quantity of gas/oil in the system is so small that it must circulate.the hoses and alloy will leak if not in use.the used once a week myth that in the owners manual is minimum only.

    the ranger ive been driving is a basic-not climate control- type and it hasn't turned on by itself.I have been turning it off on cold mornings and waiting the 9 km for the heater to work.yes it defrost the inside and frost the out side so you need the wipers on--and gloves,scarf.

    the ranger is the first car I had that dryed out my skin in as short of a time.even on fresh air--its just more efficient than other jap vehicles.
    Well you are part wrong in that statement about the Air con working all the time as it can be switched off in climate mode if the user wishes to do so, otherwise they would have not fitted the on/off switch for A/C compressor.
    In the summer weather conditions you would have A/C on but optional for the winter conditions such as dehumidifying when needed.
    I rarely use A/C in winter.

    This statement is a better description of climate control
    Climate control is a more sophisticated form of air-conditioning, which allows the temperature of a car’ interior to be accurately controlled. Users can set the required temperature and the system automatically adjusts the speed and amount of cold air introduced into the cabin. This is different to air-conditioning, which has its speed and amount of cold air controlled by the driver

    I would say paullyj57 has a fault if his aircon is switching back on, as in my ranger I can switch it off & it will stay off until I switch it back on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paullyj57 View Post
    When did I say I ran any accessories . don't jump in mate without your facts straight.

    If you call leaving the doors open, windows down, all the lights on that ford insist you have on , I suppose they are accessories.

    Another ranger owner I met at big red had the same problem , that's the only other px ranger I saw on the trip
    and I have had the problem twice with 2 different batteries. Together with countless other blog reports , I think ford has a problem.
    So dont blame me.

    I have auxillary batteries on other vehicles and may have put one in the px but after hearing of problems I did not want to spend any money on this car
    and in any case an extra battery on this car is also a problem both electrically and also where do you put it .
    If ford had designed under the bonnet better you could put 2 in there.
    That's why I sais in an earlier comment (designed in Australia my axxxhole)

    A few of the replies to my criticisms of this car sound like they are coming from ford Australia.
    That's fine mate my interpretation was different what you stated.
    Hope you sort problems out but I will say that I have not experienced your problems other than having a faulty battery.

    Cheers.

    PS: Between you & me I think you might be right, there might be a few Ford Australia spies here.
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    Default Re: PX Ranger Flat Battery

    Just a note, went to fit a n70 battery into an XL ranger, but has a different battery tray then the XLT and couldnt fit the bigger one in..... one is i think an august build and mine is a december build 2012

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    Default Re: PX Ranger Flat Battery

    Are you saying that the XLT of late gets a larger tray and possibly battery too ?
    The process is always simple ,
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    Default Re: PX Ranger Flat Battery

    I haven't logged on for a while. My April 2012 XLT's battery went flat a couple of times over the first year, always when parked up and unused for around a month. Both times I left accessories plugged in but the battery has taken a charge and never had any issues with daily use although I always suspected the voltage should always been more than the 12 volts on the add-on cig lighter power indicator. The third time I parked her up, I made sure all accessories were disconnected and again, it took about 3 weeks for the battery to die. This time the battery won't take any charge but since I am 16 months since delivery, I am just going to get something a bit bigger and shoehorn it in! I saw a 75Ah Bosch on a Thai website that is close to the same dimensions of the OEM 60Ah box of sparks so I hope to get that as extra ironmongery isn't in my remit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTH View Post
    I haven't logged on for a while. My April 2012 XLT's battery went flat a couple of times over the first year, always when parked up and unused for around a month. Both times I left accessories plugged in but the battery has taken a charge and never had any issues with daily use although I always suspected the voltage should always been more than the 12 volts on the add-on cig lighter power indicator. The third time I parked her up, I made sure all accessories were disconnected and again, it took about 3 weeks for the battery to die. This time the battery won't take any charge but since I am 16 months since delivery, I am just going to get something a bit bigger and shoehorn it in! I saw a 75Ah Bosch on a Thai website that is close to the same dimensions of the OEM 60Ah box of sparks so I hope to get that as extra ironmongery isn't in my remit.
    Shame you are not in Oz , NSW !

    Deka Intimidator AGM is 70 A/H . (9a48 )
    258 $ oz with a free charger ,

    It fits nicely in the Ranger Batt tray ! ( my May 2012 Ranger )

    In fact I will use two of these as my 2nd batt for off road use , with one of these each side of the Ranger and with the Baintech
    dual input voltmeter ,
    I can have a 140 A/H second Battery AND monitor its state of charge as well as the main or original batt at will !!!

    Not wanting to crow too much ;
    maybe you should check out Batteries Direct here and see where your local equivalent dealer is located !
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