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    When Victoria's 1st desal plant is up and running in Gippsland,what are they going to use to power it?
    lt would seem that if they try to use coal?the greenies/public would be in uproar.But it might be a plan.lt could end up using Nuclear power and the government will say that they were forced into it.A sneaky way of Nuking the coast without getting permission or dabate.

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    Didn't happen here in WA. They just use the coal and gas plants we have.

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    Default Re: De-sal Plant

    Same here in Queensland, making clean drinking water was more important than increased CO2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPD80 View Post
    Same here in Queensland, making clean drinking water was more important than increased CO2.
    Good,l do hope thats what happens,but if they do go down the Nuke track?is that a bad thing?



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    It's my hope that by the time Oz finally gets around to building a nukle power plant, it will be fusion reactor (works in theory, the first plant is being built in France, second in Japan) rather than a fission one (all other ones currently active).

    By nature, fusion reaction produces heaps more opwer, only has hot water/steam as a by product, and if any part of the reaction chain fails, the reaction simply stops, no meltdown.

    ELSpeedo could probably talk more about this.

    If we could go this route, then desal plants would be a viable source of clean water.

    Good topic for discussion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraken View Post
    It's my hope that by the time Oz finally gets around to building a nukle power plant, it will be fusion reactor (works in theory, the first plant is being built in France, second in Japan) rather than a fission one (all other ones currently active).

    By nature, fusion reaction produces heaps more opwer, only has hot water/steam as a by product, and if any part of the reaction chain fails, the reaction simply stops, no meltdown.

    ELSpeedo could probably talk more about this.

    If we could go this route, then desal plants would be a viable source of clean water.

    Good topic for discussion
    I understood that at this point in time the field used to contain the reaction used more power than it produced, or that it produced only a fraction more than required to sustain it? The potential is there but the reality is a bit of a let down.

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    the desal plant in sydney is the main reason the nsw state govt is trying to sell off the our power. when that thing comes online itll suck so much juice any weakness in our power supply will show up immediatly, which is why our govt needs to sell it before hand so somebody else can be blamed.
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    I Remember they have a desal plant in sharks bay in WA and im sure it runs on a wind turbine but it is only a 2 man town in the middle of no where and it probably wouldnt work for a city, half of Aus would have to be turbines.

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    We're using a 'wind farm' in Sydney.

    Chances are, the 'wind farm' will only be for political points, from a dying government, too stubborn to do anything about transport or roads.

    This is an interesting subject, as I got my water bill today, and there is full page colour photo of the new wind farms that will be powering the desal plant.
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    the desal has been on strike and dont blame them with having the contrator hire spies to spie on the workforce.

    nuke in the current way its built is simply not cost effective.

    i still dont know how nsw qld or sa still have labour state governments just glad victoria finaly has some remenates of sanity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraken View Post
    By nature, fusion reaction produces heaps more opwer, only has hot water/steam as a by product, and if any part of the reaction chain fails, the reaction simply stops, no meltdown.

    ELSpeedo could probably talk more about this.

    Good topic for discussion
    Nuclear fusion is easy enough to explain, and simply. You use a plasma field to contain the reaction, plasma is more or less a field of magnetic and electric parts that is used in particle colliders and cyclotrons to contain the process and results of normal matter collisions. At it's simplest plasma is made by using high frequency electromagnets, and the magnetic field is electric enough to reek of ozone and the like, plasma balls worked the same way.
    You use the plasma field to contain hydrogen (like the sun) and if you get the field pushing hard enough then the hydrogen basically reacts the same as the sun were it undergoes fusion. If the reaction gets out of hand then the plasma field breaks and the super dense reaction expires as the pressure fails (Spiderman 2). If you get it right then more energy comes out than goes in. in the sun this happens because of gravity, we have to limit the scale quite a lot more because the planet is way smaller than the sun.
    I'm not convinced of the benefits of fusion yet but if gotten right then it may well be the next big thing in power. I've seen some information that suggests that the old fission system can be made way more efficient now and even better in the future if the right minds go about it, the easy starters guide would be to look at Thorium or Breeder reactors-then add more science to making it even better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyonsy View Post
    the desal has been on strike and dont blame them with having the contrator hire spies to spie on the workforce.

    nuke in the current way its built is simply not cost effective.

    i still dont know how nsw qld or sa still have labour state governments just glad victoria finaly has some remenates of sanity
    This coming from a resident of a state that still has two of the three worst coal fed power station left in the western world? A standard nuclear reactor would be an improvement, just an expensive improvement. Sleep well knowing that Victoria first and then NSW make Australia one of the worst polluters per capita in the world.

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    Does the Desal plant in QLD work ??? Didn't most major parts oxidize and clog in the first few months. And then cost twice as much to repair as it did to build it. Really a desal that rusts WTF
    I know they have scrapped the one they had planned for the sunshine coast. Same as the Dam they were going to put in at Fedral. Anyone who has lived here for a few years knows the rain falls on the other side of Kenilworth or on the coast. Where they were putting it was always brown and not great farming or even grazing land. Why? because it didn't friggen rain there.
    Same for the pipeline they are building. It only feeds one way. They suck the life out of the land that feeds them and for what. So they can over crowd a city that cant handle the population it has already. But a good way to cram the voter and keep them happy over the minority that will vote national anyway.
    Oh Anna. How many more billions will you waste. Does any labor gov know the value of a buck and how hard it is for us regular Joes to earn it and keep our heads above the water line ha ha no pun intended.
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    yep we may have some of the dirtyest power stations in the world but they wont be replaced any time soon even if we go nuclear they will be kept online due to the amount the power grid is behind.

    what victoria really needs is some more gas powerplants built in melbourne to suport melbourne as the amount of power lost in transition from gippsland to melbourne is allmost as much as melbourne uses.
    this problem is still in place if we go nuclear as the distance is just as great for locations the plants can put.
    irronicly the ideal spot to put it is wonthaggi where the desal is.

    the study of nuke power was found that if we build them and do it all our selfs or even if we have the uranium enriched o/s then shiped back it the cost would exceed the amount of money made from export uranium if we export every ounce of it not making very good business sense to me.


    sounds like the queensland designer's did not take into account that the suthern hemispear's water has a higher salt content then the northern hemispear when they built it, so to do the repair's they basicly would of had to redesign the plant to be able to handle the salt water of the southern hemispear
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