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    Pretty interesting stuff here.

    http://www.facebook.com/gwmrusty

    A friend bout one of the chinese Great Wall X240, and within months it was completely rusted!

    RAA inspection showed it had been resprayed before as well.

    Purchased new, with 17km on the clock, Great Wall won't refund the money (why would someone want a replacement car?)

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    heard that bolt on panels were not lining up correctly if involved in an accident. I would defiantly steer clear of any car imported from China.
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    Default Re: Great Wall of Rust!

    Like the old "doctor doctor, it hurts when I go like this. Well don't go like this". Wtf would anyone buy a great wall?

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    Disturbing to see a new vehicle in that condition
    There is always going to be some exceptional cases among car manufacturers with this problem, BTW Ford seem to have a few problems like this on new FG's as posted on this forum...



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    Default Re: Great Wall of Rust!

    I've seen this parked in a car park on South Rd, Edwardstown here in Adelaide and have been meaning to take a picture of it. What a laugh!!
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    My painting contractor has a ute, he's very happy with it, but I'd hate it and wouldn't have one as a gift. I guess some people are easier too please than others.
    Mind you I despise Toyota's Hilux too! and as for them being unbreakable, I've broken plenty of 'em.
    For a work truck, give me a good pre 80s F truck, Dodge or Inter any day!
    Dunno why people buy this under engineered rubbish

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    You get what you pay for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulST View Post
    You get what you pay for.
    Silly comment.....
    I have a few acquaintances in the Auto industry with delivery of vehicles from overseas (imports) and if the vehicle is not prepped properly (protected) they suffer rust problems and believe me there are quite a few that do from all manufacturers and you be surprised how many are repaired/resprayed.....without you knowing about it unless the problem shows up again....

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    plenty of older falcons with the same issues.and have a quick look at falcon ute at the back of the cab.
    there has been several stat write offs on EBAY recently and the BA we sold sold off recently had rust scale in the door openings and across the back of the cab.

    its always anoyed me with the area around the bonnet hinges from XD to the current falcons would get some simple coating of some type could have been developed for a dealer fix to stop water sitting on a bare metal.rust proofing like fish oil look messy.

    I have made many repaires for the factory rusted or loose fitted gas strut balls at the last job.
    both front and rear of sedan/wagon cutting of the effected parts sealing and fitting our home made repair parts.

    was always a common complaint about european made cars untill a 7 year body protection system became compulsary in europe.im guess we see the same from asian cars as they relearn and devolope new methods.
    I havnt seen rust stain like this since water based paints.

    in the holden dealer of my youth was 4 painters for around 200 a month.the cars are transported by rail and etched with brake dust and diesel.
    in the 90.s after the water based paint introduction they got it down to 1 painter.
    different companies pay different rates for shipping and cars caught in typhones often get redirected to other markets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Officemanager View Post
    Silly comment.....
    I have a few acquaintances in the Auto industry with delivery of vehicles from overseas (imports) and if the vehicle is not prepped properly (protected) they suffer rust problems and believe me there are quite a few that do from all manufacturers and you be surprised how many are repaired/resprayed.....without you knowing about it unless the problem shows up again....
    The place where i work holds Great Wall vehicles in storage until they go to dealers, we once had a shipment come in of about 300 or so units & out of those 300 over 250 were damaged on arrival. Recently we had a batch of Wranglers that were leaking water through the roof some where, i was shocked to find out what can & does happen to brand new cars before there bought

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    Not really a surprise as the core competence of China is cutting cost, certainly not quality control or good customer relations. Technically a customer is responsible for accepting the car on delivery, and in some countries, Japan and Korea for example, some customers will have the car delivered to a 3rd party agency (NRMA or whatever) who will go over it with a fine tooth comb. Sounds bizzare but that is the rule, as of course naturally once you have it there is no control over what you do with it. He can say he never did those repairs himself but can never prove it.

    A decent car company may consider supporting the customer in such a case.

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    If the car looks to have been resprayed at new, that would indicate a problem locally. I had a 2005 Bravo 4X4 that had rust under the windscreen vent area, it had to be sandblasted only a year later.

    Cars can get swamped with seawater on journeys to OZ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizards Sleeve View Post
    Not really a surprise as the core competence of China is cutting cost, certainly not quality control or good customer relations. Technically a customer is responsible for accepting the car on delivery, and in some countries, Japan and Korea for example, some customers will have the car delivered to a 3rd party agency (NRMA or whatever) who will go over it with a fine tooth comb. Sounds bizzare but that is the rule, as of course naturally once you have it there is no control over what you do with it. He can say he never did those repairs himself but can never prove it.

    A decent car company may consider supporting the customer in such a case.
    Very true on the car inspection at delivery as this applies to us in Australia.
    It is up to the owner to inspect the vehicle before taking possession making sure the vehicle is OK.
    In 2000 I had this problem with my wife's laser when purchased, that night her brother pointed out a minute dent in rear door, Ford would not come to party fixing it and yet the car was driven home and no where else....

    "Lesson is inspect your new purchase carefully before driving away." Do not trust any Dealership as the onus will be on you.

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    But there are standards of quality to achieve.
    Consumer laws protect us from companies that might otherwise flog poor quality, even dangerous cars.
    Truly, a rusted out car, less than a year old, is not 'fit for purpose,' whatever the reason.
    Even my NL fairlane came with a 5 year rust guarentee back in '98.

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    People who buy these vehicles deserve everything they get. They make the early Hyundai's and Kia's look fantastic.
    All people see are the cheap prices and don't look at anything else.

    I have neighbours who have a GW ute and I laugh every time I see it. They're obviously gluttons for punishment as they've just replaced an older model Cruze (Suzuki Ignis clone) with a brand new GW SUV thing. So now they have 2 massive pieces of crap in their garage.

    I hope people who own them don't expect to walk away (safely) from a fender bender. I've seen how these things buckle and it's scary. But as usual, they're allowed into the country coz they have an airbag or 2.

    Good quality Japanese used cars or cars from Europe or UK however, aren't allowed in, but of course, the flood gates get opened for these new Chinese things.
    There's now a company who wants to import Chinese vans (which look a lot like Mercedes Sprinters) and sell them to Ambulance services, and there are also Chinese Buses now getting around in Oz.

    Yes, I am extremely cynical. We seem to be getting flooded with crap from overseas more and more each day and manufacturing and jobs etc are leaving the country... I'm one of these strange people who still buys Australian Made vehicles and household goods etc as it keeps people in jobs. I'm a dying breed unfortunately.

    Sorry for going off topic.

    Rust in these new vehicles is the least of their worries and anything that rusts that quick after being built is a huge concern. What else is wrong underneath?



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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulST View Post
    You get what you pay for.
    i agree, no reason cars can't be cheap, if you replace it after 3 years, then you probably avoid most of the issues it's going to have in it's lifetime. (and think how much money you'll save not living for the next 40 years!)

    i took delivery of this vehicle in Feb 2011, approximately two weeks after delivery the car was back at the dealers for rust repair to the rear tail gate, and RH rear panel, and a corroded hinge on the centre console...
    doesn't sound too bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by concord View Post
    Pretty interesting stuff here.

    http://www.facebook.com/gwmrusty

    A friend bout one of the chinese Great Wall X240, and within months it was completely rusted!

    RAA inspection showed it had been resprayed before as well.

    Purchased new, with 17km on the clock, Great Wall won't refund the money (why would someone want a replacement car?)

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    Spoke to a lawyer? What does the car warranty include for
    its claims of repair. Also what are the dealer agreements on delivery?
    Russian Ladas had plenty of problems as well with motors though their
    chassis at least were better...

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Wheel Driver View Post
    People who buy these vehicles deserve everything they get. They make the early Hyundai's and Kia's look fantastic.
    All people see are the cheap prices and don't look at anything else.

    I have neighbours who have a GW ute and I laugh every time I see it. They're obviously gluttons for punishment as they've just replaced an older model Cruze (Suzuki Ignis clone) with a brand new GW SUV thing. So now they have 2 massive pieces of crap in their garage.

    I hope people who own them don't expect to walk away (safely) from a fender bender. I've seen how these things buckle and it's scary. But as usual, they're allowed into the country coz they have an airbag or 2.

    Good quality Japanese used cars or cars from Europe or UK however, aren't allowed in, but of course, the flood gates get opened for these new Chinese things.
    There's now a company who wants to import Chinese vans (which look a lot like Mercedes Sprinters) and sell them to Ambulance services, and there are also Chinese Buses now getting around in Oz.

    Yes, I am extremely cynical. We seem to be getting flooded with crap from overseas more and more each day and manufacturing and jobs etc are leaving the country... I'm one of these strange people who still buys Australian Made vehicles and household goods etc as it keeps people in jobs. I'm a dying breed unfortunately.

    Sorry for going off topic.

    Rust in these new vehicles is the least of their worries and anything that rusts that quick after being built is a huge concern. What else is wrong underneath?
    Obviously some of your 'advisors' in Australia are very China friendly.
    So much so they won't even let the Dalai Lama not see the Prime Minister
    for fear of offending Beijing, would be like inviting a dissident to talk
    but not speak about where some parts may originate in a country known
    for breaking copyright laws and engineering is only copies with little
    innvoation so far.

    Ask Vietnam or the Phillipines the same question as well.
    It could be due to allot of foreign money making some people
    smile at the same time wince like a African as their resources
    get plundered and they get sold back to what they think of them...
    Hard way of looking at it but it should be said for posterity.

    Russia and the Middle East would have dirt cheap Euro and Jap/Korean cars
    though you generally do see carpetbaggers from that region hocking
    their wares to govt and private trade dignitaries....

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Wheel Driver View Post
    People who buy these vehicles deserve everything they get. They make the early Hyundai's and Kia's look fantastic.
    All people see are the cheap prices and don't look at anything else.

    I have neighbours who have a GW ute and I laugh every time I see it. They're obviously gluttons for punishment as they've just replaced an older model Cruze (Suzuki Ignis clone) with a brand new GW SUV thing. So now they have 2 massive pieces of crap in their garage.

    I hope people who own them don't expect to walk away (safely) from a fender bender. I've seen how these things buckle and it's scary. But as usual, they're allowed into the country coz they have an airbag or 2.

    Good quality Japanese used cars or cars from Europe or UK however, aren't allowed in, but of course, the flood gates get opened for these new Chinese things.
    There's now a company who wants to import Chinese vans (which look a lot like Mercedes Sprinters) and sell them to Ambulance services, and there are also Chinese Buses now getting around in Oz.

    Yes, I am extremely cynical. We seem to be getting flooded with crap from overseas more and more each day and manufacturing and jobs etc are leaving the country... I'm one of these strange people who still buys Australian Made vehicles and household goods etc as it keeps people in jobs. I'm a dying breed unfortunately.

    Sorry for going off topic.

    Rust in these new vehicles is the least of their worries and anything that rusts that quick after being built is a huge concern. What else is wrong underneath?
    Go see a Doctor and get your blood pressure read before you have a heart attack!!! lol...

    Who cares what people choose and buy.... that is their business not yours or mine.......

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    We have all seen the Great Wall by now and possibly know at least 1 person who owns 1.
    People whom I know that own them both SUV and Trayback have all said the same thing. Its OK but don't tow anything.
    Apparently they haven't got the Power to pull the skin of a rice pudding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oliveoil_popeye View Post
    We have all seen the Great Wall by now and possibly know at least 1 person who owns 1.
    People whom I know that own them both SUV and Trayback have all said the same thing. Its OK but don't tow anything.
    Apparently they haven't got the Power to pull the skin of a rice pudding.
    Interesting comment as I know 3 people who have the 4x4 dual cabs who use them for towing and work which they find them quite capable...

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    the neighbouring LGA has put a few 4X4 cab chasis on as a trial---and no longer buying toyota.
    in 18 months no issues.
    i see these in the road with weed spray packs and mower trailers.

    the issue is these are fitted with one of the best petrol engines ever if its assembled corectly with the right metal used-mitubishi/hyundia
    and we need diesel.the chasis is a old isuzu that rural people like.

    our council buying 4X2 crewcab toyota diesel.we keep 4 years.the mower utes need mechanical repairs at 60 000Km.

    mahindra is being sold at dungog-by an old landrover dealer.lots of people are looking and if the workshop had a few duds if for repairs bush telegraph will no real quick.

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    I can only tell you what I'm told. I don't own a great wall and personally have not driven one.
    It's strange that the people I know say it is underpowered. Their comment not mine. I too know the pest control guy who has one of these.
    He was the first to tell me not to tow the caravan with one. He said it wouldn't pull the skin off your D.....k

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    Meh, looking at the "rusty" pictures I have seen same if not worse on Ford Ranger's/Everest's we get direct from Ford Thailand/AAT with zero KM's on the clock. It's a real pain in the ass as one that is the most noticeable is the bolts holding the door lock set in the door, our QC dept often reject armoured vehicles back to me for rectification to sort out the visible rust on these, amusing that we do not touch even touch the door lock set or the retaining bolts that hold it in during the amour fitment process !!!

    Should see what they are like with all the interior plastics removed.
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    Default Re: Great Wall of Rust!

    A friend that owns a freight company has 4 gw utes all have around 80000km on them and not a single issue with any of them

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