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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQLig...eature=related
    I agree with Einstein- not if but a matter of when...

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    The level of attacks isn't published but officials describe the risk as grave and growing.

    http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-a...outh-asia.html
    Chinas attack on the US and the forums of the internet...put two and two together you get...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...r-warfare.html
    Stuxnet and the rise of military hacking units (gone is the teenage hacker) and cyber-crime organisations as well.

    For all us trend researchers this is probably one to look out for in 2011. With Wikileaks attracting MSM attention and now such sites will be used by nation states against one another. The US admits it cannot stop such sites such as Wikileaks due to them server hopping from country to country and countries who don't like them very much.

    The United States is more vulnerable to a cyber attack than other nations. Our dependence on cyberspace for our critical infrastructure, communication and economy puts us at risk. Though we are one of the better-equipped nations to wage cyber war, there are no rules of engagement. (meaning there is always the nuclear option).

    So information now becomes a weapon like a artillery shell or a cluster bomb.
    Now with hacking organisations worldwide and disparate some benevolent some
    intent on starting WW3 also. Due to Internet weaponry in its embryonic stages
    these weapons could well attack the Internet and certain countries for political
    or idealogical gain or for all out military attack. It would be very hard for
    a general not to acknowledge a 'Internet massive attack' on utilities, govt
    and military to be the same equivalent of a ICBM attack. Time will tell indeed...

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    We are now, in relation to the problem of cyber-warfare, at the same stage of intellectual development as we were in the 1950s in relation to possible nuclear war." John Chipman, Director-General IISS

    Much like the nuclear bomb, Cyber warfare is set to revolutionise the way the wars of the future will be fought. The speed and anonymity of cyber attacks, coupled with the lack of cyber arms control, means that hostile governments and non state actors will increasingly look to wage war in the cyber realm.

    http://www.clocate.com/conference/Cy...re-2011/10408/

    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/...efense-center/

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    As computer systems become more important to control essential services, from power grids to banking, computerized attacks are seen as becoming as important a part of nations' arsenals as conventional or nuclear weaponry.

    An interior ministry spokesman said Monday that while in 2009 the government registered only 900 attacks, there were already 1,600 electronic attacks in the first half of 2010 as well as a high number of unreported cases, the Associated Press reported.

    http://thefastertimes.com/nukesandot...s-nuclear-war/
    "Proliferation is a real problem, and no country is prepared to deal with it,” said Melissa Hathaway, a former United States national cybersecurity coordinator. The widespread availability of the attack techniques revealed by the software has set off alarms among industrial control specialists, she said: “All of these guys are scared to death. We have about 90 days to fix this before some hacker begins using it.”
    That’s why Woodward compares the Stuxnet attack to Trinity, the first U.S. nuclear test. A demonstration of the weapon’s power, it was intended to act as a deterrent to keep other states, such as Iran, from . . . what exactly? It might only motivate Iran to complete the nuclear-weapon development process. After all, it wouldn’t want to be two weapon systems — nuclear and cyber — down on Israel, would it?

    http://www.asiantribune.com/news/200...uclear-program
    While China in US are engaged in a cyber war that could go nuclear at any time (like the 50's)- Pakistan
    and India are also engaged in one as well as some former Soviet states with Russia.

    http://www-ee.stanford.edu/~hellman/...s/borning.html
    Not a joke- there is a chance on any old Saturday a real accident could happen. So all those folks with the button be careful.
    Computers can also make mistakes.


    (this page is evolving over time chopping and changing to keep its relevancy and currentness. The truth is out there post I have put back-
    the one that started it all.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWhstRXKL5c
    O yes I have a sense of humour. Yes I wanted to be a fighter pilot. My CO broke my legs and kept me behind a computer screen instead.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s93KC4AGKnY
    no where we know where this old started. A 'old game' with a electronic twist.

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    You raise interesting and valid points about cyber crimes and warfare.

    Stuxnet is one example that has the ability to cause a lot of issues. This is why Network and I.T security is paramount but from my experience its not taken seriously enough, let me rephrase that *understood* by the old crudies that run the place.

    Its not the era of Black and White TV anymore.

    The ammount of bot attacks I get on my Broadband service from china is pure madness. Yet the labour government wants to protect us from Porn and Political material and what they should be protecting us from is other countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FG40 View Post
    You raise interesting and valid points about cyber crimes and warfare.

    Stuxnet is one example that has the ability to cause a lot of issues. This is why Network and I.T security is paramount but from my experience its not taken seriously enough, let me rephrase that *understood* by the old crudies that run the place.

    Its not the era of Black and White TV anymore.

    The ammount of bot attacks I get on my Broadband service from china is pure madness. Yet the labour government wants to protect us from Porn and Political material and what they should be protecting us from is other countries.
    Not naming names- duh sorry but I have had some nasty attacks from Russian, Pakistani and Chinese servers (they were stupid enough to leave their IP addresses).As Tempting it is to launch a counter-attack and wipe out their servers I left it to the 'our guys' to fight to fire with fire. Those Chinese made modems may have some backdoors they don't tell you about- hint. There has been a big-audit of stuff in my operation for electonic computing devices made from particular factories and countries. I think if WW3 ever starts it will be a massive bot-net attack on on modems, routers and fibre networks incapacitating them of causing them to spread virus like nerve gas on PCs or zombie attacks of a apocalyptic scale. My analogy is that the internet is like a human central nervous systems but with many heads, arms and legs- so if you cannot completely attack it you could certainly cause enormous damage that could be used a country with inadequate defenses to repel...

    Our govt like the US govt cannot fight the internet as it was designed to surivive nuclear war- so by design it
    can always be re-routed and moved. Porn and politics mean little (to protect us from a non existent morality in society which is more based around kamikaze debauched soulless economics than genuine beliefs and wisdom which are all but dead today) when the Chinese want to Stuxnet our mining industry or defense dept and employees...I got Wikileaks from a Italian server and you don't see a international dispute between Australia and Italy do you? They govt can hardly keep up it like the Manhattan project- out of control!!!
    Some of us do wish Sept 11 never happened as now with terrorist groups, nation states, black operations, organised
    crime and intelligence it could easily get out of control...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahcVp8vIicI
    All engineers create backdoors- for overt and covert reasons.
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    I agree with what your saying. Its a hard fight.

    http://www.itwire.com/it-industry-ne...espionage-talk
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    Quote Originally Posted by FG40 View Post
    You raise interesting and valid points about cyber crimes and warfare.

    Stuxnet is one example that has the ability to cause a lot of issues. This is why Network and I.T security is paramount but from my experience its not taken seriously enough, let me rephrase that *understood* by the old crudies that run the place.

    Its not the era of Black and White TV anymore.

    The ammount of bot attacks I get on my Broadband service from china is pure madness. Yet the labour government wants to protect us from Porn and Political material and what they should be protecting us from is other countries.
    Id love to give them a lecture of how their opponents see them and how they could use their own stupidity to destroy their own networks... After the talk they would be so **** scared they would probably go home and dig a porta-bunker. These dangerously naive selfish twits are too busy making money for themselves not to realise their enermy is poorly paid but highly motivated and very patriotic and they see their lifestyles as anethma of what they see and how to take them out. John Le Carre warned that the Wests inaction after the defeat of Soviet Russia in 1989 created a monster that now seems hard to stop.

    I guess this is like the Phoney War of 2001-2010 whenever it does get hotter...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FG40 View Post
    I agree with what your saying. Its a hard fight.

    http://www.itwire.com/it-industry-ne...espionage-talk
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5993156.ece
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    Huawei was allegedly founded with significant funding from the Chinese state. Its head is Ren Zhengfei, a former director of the telecoms research arm of the 3m-strong People’s Liberation Army

    http://www.huawei.com/facts-beta/faq.do
    The Commies always say no. Sun Zsu knows how to fool 'round-eye'...

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    2009, the PLA's business accounted for less than 0.1%
    Well THATS a 0.1% backdoor that Mao has on your computer

    Yes they are run by the PLA. If you use their modems--trouble follows.

    Huawei has a presence in Iran, which is similar to other international telecom vendors, such as Ericsson, Nokia Siemens Networks, and ZTE.

    e) We put our obligation under export controls beyond the company's commercial interests. Specifically, we have established a comprehensive trade compliance team with strict policies and operation systems, including an internal export control system, and certification from authorities.
    Who would be in China their secret service and the PLA. Never let a backdoor to a American computer go to waste.

    Huawei has never violated any United Nations' regulations by selling any products to the Taliban of Afghanistan.

    If Chinese made RPGs and shoulder launched SAMs have been found how much microcircuitry is theirs???



    Nuff said. Deny as much...

    http://www.strategypage.com/military.../69-30386.aspx
    Steal from your enemy while paying and patronising them at the same time. Then stab them in the back when they are no longer useful.

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    Chinese telecom companies run by the People's Liberation Army frequently steal U.S. industrial and military secrets which are then modified into operational systems for the military. This effort began in 1994 during the Clinton administration and was led by Chinese Gen. Ding Henggao.

    Ding should receive a medal for being a hero to the Chinese Communist Party because he was able to obtain a vast array of U.S. technology through a good friend inside the Clinton administration ? then Defense Secretary William Perry. The technology included secure fiber-optic communications electronics.

    Ding was able to set his wife, Madam General Nie, up as head of a false corporation that obtained advanced U.S. fiber optic systems. Madam Nie's company was staffed entirely by Chinese army officers who specialized in exploiting communications and electronics.

    The American side of the deal was spearheaded by a good friend and co-worker of Perry's, Dr. John Lewis from Stanford University. In fact, documents obtained from the Department of Defense using the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) show that Lewis was paid by the Chinese army while also serving on the U.S. Defense Policy Board and working for DoD as a contractor.

    https://www.infosecisland.com/blogvi...-Landfill.html
    Somebodies bumping people off- this ain't no accident. Can never be too careful these days. Lets hope
    we find those responsible. Such a great person and career. Condolances to the family.

    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Books/cybe...ry?id=10414617
    Cyber War and it potential tipping balance.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/stuxne...ry?id=12768380
    Stuxnet goes nuclear and it looks like the Russians are at working at something in Minsk?
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    http://www.hindustantimes.com/FBI-to...e1-705082.aspx
    China hacking Google Mail Again. Probing for vunerabilities or are there a spy or two inside google seems too well planned to me to be only a small group...

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    Washington scrambled on Thursday to assess whether security had been compromised after Google Inc revealed a major hacker attack targeting US officials that the Internet giant pegged to China. "These allegations are very serious," US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said. "We take them seriously; we're looking into them," Clinton told reporters a day after the Internet giant said it had disrupted a campaign aimed at stealing passwords of hundreds of Google email account holders, including senior US government officials, Chinese activists and journalists.

    Google's announcement fuels debate in Washington over China's intentions in cyberspace, which the United States has identified as a potential flashpoint for future conflict.

    Neither Google nor the US government has said that the Chinese government was behind the attacks, and the US state department said that it had not raised the issue with Beijing.

    Google only said that the attack appeared to originate in China.

    Beijing nevertheless reacted angrily to Google's charge, saying it was "unacceptable" to blame Beijing and allegations that China supports hacking "have ulterior motives".

    Clinton said that Google told the state department before it made its public announcement on Wednesday, and the US FBI was investigating, with Google.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...e-attack-gmail
    A very targeted attack. Some folks knew exactly what they were after.

    Shin Bet gives the FBI some tips-
    http://www.wired.com/beyond_the_beyo...raeli-version/

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    The outgoing Shin Bet chief, Yuval Diskin, blamed China for some recent computer security breaches around the world and said the Chinese government’s cyber command now comprises “the largest number of hackers on earth.” He said there was evidence that on April 8, 2010, China diverted 15 percent of U.S. Internet traffic through its routers. (He was referring to an incident described in the report of the Congressional U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission released last November. The attack lasted for 18 minutes and appears to have been a case of IP hijacking or BGP hijacking—the takeover of whole blocks of website addresses by corrupting Internet network routing.) Cyber warfare is already “an existing reality,” he said.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G0Fc...eature=related
    Saleh and the Pakistan problem. Should turn of their F-16's they want J-10s anyway.
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    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20079585.shtml
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    FORT MEADE, Md. - The Joint Strike Fighter(loving referred by political followers of FAF as the Joint Strike Failure Chinese J-20 ripoff) is the Pentagon's high-priced ticket to air superiority for the 21st century. Except four months ago the designs for that and other sophisticated weapons were stolen from defense industry computers by hackers - 24,000 files in all.

    "Designs of satellites, UAV's - the unmanned aerial vehicles - cutting-edge military technology," were stolen Lynn said.

    "Is somebody out there robbing us blind?" Martin asked.

    The attackers are ahead of the defenders in cyberspace," Lynn said. "The technology for intrusions is far ahead of the technology for defenses and we need to catch up."

    "How often are there attacks on the Pentagon's networks," Martin asked.

    "There are attempted intrusions thousands of times a day," Lynn replied.

    These intrusions are not pranks but espionage conducted by foreign intelligence agencies. Cyber spies could be lurking undetected inside one or more of the Defense Department's 15,000 computer networks.

    "They're in and we don't know it?" Martin asked.

    Like I have said for years. Who makes your computer chips? Maybe its time
    we started building our own ones again- as a hardware backdoor will chew
    through software and generally escape even the best firewalls and system
    activity software...

    "There are lots of people out there taking a lot of information," Lynn replied.

    Read the full Defense Department strategy (pdf)
    ZDNet's Larry Dignan on the security breach

    Lynn told CBS News the U.S. is still not sure who stole the data, although the most likely suspects are China and Russia. But Lynn is sure there is a mismatch between America's dependence on the technology of cyberspace.




    O no ! Elspeedo's posting again in victor charlie county. Tee-hee.

    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/...arfare-outfit/
    The silent march of the blue army and Chinese hacking schools. As reported many moons ago on the forums.
    Geez old media just cannot keep up.

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    When a reporter asked if the Blue Army was set up in order to launch cyber attacks on other countries, Geng said that internet security was an international issue that impacted not only society but also the military field, adding that China was also a victim of cyber attacks and that the country's network security was currently relatively weak.

    The online unit, organized under the Guangdong Military Command, is believed to have existed for at least two years before Geng's acknowledgment Wednesday.

    Sources throughout the internet security industry have long believed that China-based hackers are the single largest source of worldwide cyber attacks.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/aust...-1226064132826
    Cyberkommando. Don't worry we also have the same.

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    In a recent test of its powers, reported the PLA Daily, the Blue Army was thrust into a simulated cyberbattle against an attacking force four times its size and left to defend China's military networks against a bombardment of virus attacks, massive barrages of junk mail and stealth missions into the inner sanctums of military planning to steal secret information on troop deployment. The Blue Army, predictably, triumphed.

    They did triumph until NORAD mistook a attack on its servers as a massive attack on the mainland US. Nukes then followed. Many billions of people dead. Not pretty.
    Maybe some countries should realise that jumping into other countries electronic fences and running away
    at cyber-speed does not cut it when physical retaliation may be a hair trigger away. Its getting that
    50's feeling here.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7cGGMcnaRY
    Interesting POV. Inner Mongolia. Interesting.
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    Senators demand answers but should the Dept of Defense provide them? Im sure the NSA/DARPA knows that some folks cannot be trusted with possibly some of the most important projects since the Manhattan one- need to know is more important. Sure, give the a vague view of things which should also keep others confused and help them redirect funds to dead ends as well.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...re-policy.html

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    The Defense Department has failed to deliver to Congress a report on U.S. cyber warfare policy that would clarify the legal authorities and rules of engagement to be used in the event of a cyber attack, the leaders of the Senate Armed Services Committee said today.

    “The continued failure to address and define the policies and legal authorities necessary for the Pentagon to operate in the cyberspace domain remains a significant gap in our national security that must be addressed,” wrote Senators Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat, and John McCain, an Arizona Republican, in a letter to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta.


    If you knew what I knew VP you'd be smiling too..
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    You hack, we shoot: Pentagon discusses armed counterstrikes to cyberattacks
    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Militar...o-cyberattacks

    Lawmakers and some Pentagon officials argue that the US should shift cyberdefense from 'How to build the next best firewall' to an offensive message: Those who attack US computers risk 'land-based attack'.


    Now if I did not make that clear enough. Lets hope threats are detected and smart bombed back to the stone age.

    Like never leaving a wingman behind we never leave a computer behind either.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73SciCMf9Rw
    When send 'homing HARM firewalls' don't work send in Puff the Magical Firewall destroyer.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXu3z...eature=related
    There is allot of talk on this subject and not much action- Patton gives some more tips.
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    Inside Guangdong Military Command 'Blue Team' ready attacking Western servers at a moments notice.
    Wearing helmets. Now I admire the discipline.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJyHwQxb1Mg
    vs
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri20T5Dlggg&NR=1

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...22285_151n.jpg
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    http://money.cnn.com/2011/07/28/tech...nment_hackers/
    From bad to worse. Peace is a something longs for though- when does
    a Cold War go hot? Don't ask me. When somebody fires the first shot...

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    Those scenarios were especially worrying to the U.S. government since the incident affected traffic to and from ".gov" and ".mil" sites, including those for the Senate, Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, Defense Department, NASA, and Commerce Department. Websites for Dell (DELL, Fortune 500), Yahoo (YHOO, Fortune 500), Microsoft (MSFT, Fortune 500) and IBM (IBM, Fortune 500) were also affected.

    It wasn't the first time -- or the last -- that suspicious cyber activity has been traced back to China. (who did they get their ideas from-hmm Russia- o course not)

    In 2008, the FBI launched "Operation Cisco Raider," seizing 3,500 fake networking devices that originated in China, including counterfeit Cisco (CSCO, Fortune 500) routers purchased by U.S. government agencies.

    Recently declassified I gather. Those IT commandos have been warned. It may include other things as well.
    Watch one's six.
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    thats really good reading elspeedo,when the aussie banks have computer glitches as they call them,you just no they"ve been got at and it wasnt some air-conditioner over heating,who believes that spin.Remember a sports betting agency few years back who operated out of alice springs got threating emails from europe demanding large cash amounts or they would crash the site,the internet sevice provider said it was a bluff and theres no way it could be done,two days later they were offline.Its interesting when you read your own security history and see whats been going on in the background while your blissfully surfing away.Not global scale i know still helps you get a grasp of your discussion.
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcXgXqL_1m4
    He said Australia is 'well infiltrated'. Nowonder the US keeps a closed circuit on some departments in Australia though
    not others. We are a backdoor to the US- Russia and China know this too well. Hence the Wikileaks scandal. It came from here. So it must be stopped here- otherwise the worst will happen.

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    And despite the crossfire on the web many people still have very little idea of what security is for a PC, I watched someone at work log into an XP machine with no password and had to sit down and have a bit of a chat about it. The information we give out each day is used for so many purposes, it pays at least to be a little circumspect with it if you know how.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwight View Post
    And despite the crossfire on the web many people still have very little idea of what security is for a PC, I watched someone at work log into an XP machine with no password and had to sit down and have a bit of a chat about it. The information we give out each day is used for so many purposes, it pays at least to be a little circumspect with it if you know how.
    If your foolish enough to trust people you should not trust well that question answers itself. For a operating system that should have been obsolete by late 2007 is another story. Windows XP. Windows 7 supposedly has its code in the hands of hostile foreign governments now anyway. The plebs are told to be safe on the internet but they treat it like their backyard not a minefield.
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    I recently read a Queensland academics view of the global situation and hopes of peace in the SE Asian region.
    Lets negotiate with Iran (who have had some 'internal' squabble in their intelligence services) and North Korea
    is a doozy we will just do the Bill Clinton again appease tyrants who only feed on weakness. This feels like 1939,
    its only waiting for a spark...China even warned the US to stay out of Pakistan. Looks like some countries
    are bargaining their souls for protection when there is no protection to be had only in mafia terms- protection
    money or blackmailing your existence for a lesser punishment by your 'enforcer'. He seemed to have cowered
    to China like the European states were cowering to Hitler before the start of the last big one. He dreaded
    a greater US presence in Australia which would thwart the cyber menace here would mean a buildup in the
    arms race. He forgot that China already trains nukes at major Australian facilities regardless of our ambiguous
    foreign policy towards them. Their is a massive Chinese spy ring in Australia that is well financed and influential
    which seems to have a backing by Russian intel assets as well who seem also to have found a backdoor
    in Australia's telecommunications system both of which would never happen in the states but in Australia
    is a backdoor so big you could drive a T-72 through it !!

    From all the information I possess its been in a downward spiral since 2001 and only promises to get worse.
    Add a US Debt Crisis in the mix and China is bound to be even more agressive. Academics seem to forget
    the allegiances in preference to ideals that founded their countries at the end of the last war- which its
    hangovers will lead to the next. Longing for peace can destroy rather than facing the new 'evil empire'.
    China claim to a peaceful rise is gone it wants to beat the US in a cyber war. Bring it on. The Nukes will
    reach Beijing all the same. Stop the sabre rattle and think of some Russian detente...

    China states in not so many words the nuclear war and cyber war are at equal footing which
    is in deference to a less hardliner US policy.

    http://articles.yuikee.com.hk/newsletter/2011/06/b.html

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    In the article, the researchers say that China must make mastering cyber-warfare a military priority because, "Just as nuclear warfare was the strategic war of the industrial era, cyber-warfare has become the strategic war of the information era, and this has become a form of battle that is massively destructive and concerns the life and death of nations,"

    They also accused the USA of being behind many recent cyber conflicts and said that China would call for the international community to establish "cyber territory" and defend "cyber sovereignty". They envisioned a "cyber non-proliferation treaty like the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty to lock up the Pandora's box".

    Strangely, this call was echoed at a security summit organised by the EastWest Institute in London where Sir Michael Rake, chairman of BT Group, suggested a cyber non-proliferation treaty should be signed to stop the escalation of Nations spending on cyber defence and cyber warfare.

    Quite what these concepts of "cyber territory", "cyber sovereignty" and "cyber non-proliferation" mean is unclear. Deciding control over territory is often quite hard, even after lines have been drawn on a physical map; how much harder for online users of cloud services that are deliberately insulated from the location of the physical machines that provide those services?

    Cyber non-proliferation seems totally unworkable. Nuclear non-proliferation worked because many of the technologies and raw materials were specialised and traceable. Even then, there have been a string of failures as states achieved nuclear status despite the treaty. Cyber non-proliferation is more like trying to ban tanks: it cannot work because the facilities required (a car factory and lots of steel) are freely available. In fact, cyber weapons are perhaps more like cakes than tanks - you don't even need an expensive factory to produce them, every home has an oven that can be used with a recipe. The approximately 700,000 new items of malware identified every day are testament that someone has the capability, and it probably is not Sovereign States that are still struggling to impose their power on this new domain.

    Looks like the Chinese are planning a major buildup on the cyber arms race...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpf1Y...eature=related
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    can laugh as we also know China's weakness...they have a bigger head then even we do...
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    http://battleland.blogs.time.com/201...ar-worrywarts/
    Its sometimes good to be worried to especially when your rival/s are even more paranoid than you are-could be due to their insular political systems!! Cyber Threat friday is like SAC's equilient of Red Storm Rising-te he he...

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    The whole debate over cyber war is getting really interesting. The ratio of scaremongers to calm logic -- currently about a 2-to-1 edge in favor of the Jules Verne crowd -- is reflected in a trio of major stories on the topic recently.

    Mr Panetta your right. Keep the cricket score going and watch out for mulligrubbers and yorkers- we will be right...


    Aha Commie China wants to play hardball- aigh. Us 'American Asians' know your games folks...

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    Richie Benaud comment to the commentary on cyberspace lately- too right sir!
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    'operation deletion' in full progress. No ill will Redright- just re-evaluating strategy.
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    Jack and Jill went up the hill....hmmmm..
    They trust you mate and I know you could get up to all hell and so could I but Id probably be court Marshalled and shot
    so thats the incentive for me to be a good little boy...

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    Death from above- can now travel down to a wall socket as well- kind of handy

    http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/hti.../20110812.aspx

    Is the strike on Iran imminent?

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    This process has been going on for some time, and some aspects of it do surface in the media. For example, three months ago, Israel established the National Cybernetic Taskforce, with orders to devise and implement defensive measures to protect the economy and government from Internet based attacks. The taskforce consists of about 80 people and is run by a retired general. Apparently, existing Internet security efforts, and military Cyber War organizations have discovered a growing number of vulnerabilities in the national Internet infrastructure. The only solution to this growing vulnerability is a large scale effort to monitor the national network infrastructure for vulnerabilities, and fix them as quickly as possible. You will never catch all the vulnerabilities, but in Cyber War, as in the more conventional kind, victory is not always a matter of who is better, but who is worse (more vulnerable to attack.)

    Meanwhile, Israel makes no secret of what it thinks about its Cyber War capabilities. Over the last year, Israel has revealed that its cryptography operation (Unit 8200) has added computer hacking to its skill set. Last year, the head of Israeli Military Intelligence said that he believed Israel had become the leading practitioner of Cyber War. This came in the wake of suspicions that Israel had created the Stuxnet worm, which got into Iran's nuclear fuel enrichment equipment, and destroyed a lot of it. Earlier this year, Iran complained that another worm, called Star, was causing them trouble. Usually, intelligence organizations keep quiet about their capabilities, but in this case, the Israelis apparently felt it was more useful to scare the Iranians, with the threat of more stuff like Stuxnet.

    Then there is the son of Stuxnet,loose? scary. Israel is only second to 'you know who' in cyber-offense.
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    Aww, I didn't know discussing such things was an offense in this country - kick can down road. Seriously there are a great many risks that we all are exposed to and I'd suggest to anybody looking into such things to keep both eyes open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwight View Post
    Aww, I didn't know discussing such things was an offense in this country - kick can down road. Seriously there are a great many risks that we all are exposed to and I'd suggest to anybody looking into such things to keep both eyes open.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtrYO-Mog60
    My old Koori elder mate of mine says beware of bunyips...met one once. never met such a angry creature. born angry...he resembled a big dark shadow twice the size of a grizzly bear, thinks like a human, could fly and transmute, could run 10m at one pace. way worse than the predator and being mythical you know- those things are capable of almost anything...

    http://www.kumaar.com/Jammers/military-jammer.html
    Why is such **** on the internet. The stupid ****head does not realise despite he is making money the selfish ****er he is giving
    tools people only with a high security clearance should ever get close. There is a downside to capitalism. Its probably why
    the 'would be if they could be' Indians get hacked into by the 'smartalek' Chi-Coms so many, many times they think about themselves more than the greater good. They then ask the US for help for all the trouble they got themselves into- Then Hillary Clinton may
    quote Richard Nixon....the Russians would probably smirk as we do as well...

    http://www.phantom.co.il/contactus.asp
    http://www.jammer-store.com/gm20-mil...ne-jammer.html
    and another one. Lets hope they screen their sellers. Last thing you want this gear in the hands of the Taliban...or OPFOR...
    As for the 2nd ammendment clause( I wonder what FOX is promoting does it think the NSA does'nt listen)- sending this gear into the hands of the wrong people- geez another Waco...

    I thought you put 2 and 2 together. Jamming is very military and its only thanks to the 90's some of this stuff got public when all of it should have been put away with a lock and key...you don't see China or Russia selling this gear to their plebs so why are we allowing it here- blasphemy !

    This forum Redright is not a private club its for all to see. As a result....


    Jamming originated in fighter planes in WWII when German planes began to use some exotic ideas to dodge British radar. Fortunately by then for the British the German military was a spent force and it was a last grasp. Jamming then evolved to ground based systems. Thats about all I know about jammers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3gky...eature=related
    The Black Art of Electronic Warfare and its origin.
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    I am very aware of a great number of dangers, and it's merely that on a personal level I would love to be able to engage in intelligent conversations about a number of issues that matter to me - but yet again other forces are at work. It's ok I have other things to do and worry about too, it's a shame however and that is all.

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    I am very aware of a great number of dangers, and it's merely that on a personal level I would love to be able to engage in intelligent conversations about a number of issues that matter to me - but yet again other forces are at work. It's ok I have other things to do and worry about too, it's a shame however and that is all.

    http://nationalsecuritylawbrief.com/...cyber-warfare/

    Indeed it is but as you know its not about people you trust it those other folks out their of dubious character and moral conduct. As our forum does not include a brain scan prior to logon we just can never be too careful. Thats below is just a example of what havoc can happen. Im sure their still a very detailed investigation to find out which idiot or traitor decided to sell their compatriots out. Even if the Taliban otherwise manage to find a crashed one and salvage some of their parts they must have old or gave it to their Jihadist buddies in Iran who im sure were glad to give us some curry if you gather.

    http://perrya.hubpages.com/hub/Terro...rones-Via-Iran
    One could only imagine the horror of a Australian or US SF team encounters on of these robots- gone rogue !!! and If you
    don't have a stinger handy and your in a exposed location you'd better hope a A-10, F-16 or F-15 is not too far away...

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    Hackers hacked their way into intercepting downloads from the US Predator drones flying overhead in Iraq. The software, as cheap as $26, can easily be got on the Internet. Iran is suspect in obtaining this media and using it to intercept live video taken by the drones. This enables them to evade or monitor where the drones are flying. The Iranian supported insurgents use cheap software to seize the video link between the drone and ground unit. This last link is surprisingly, shockingly, unprotected! Shiite fighters have downloaded a program called Skygrabber, which allows them to capture drone video feeds. The upside of this embarrassment is that there is no way they could take control of the drone itself. The video helps the terrorists avoid roads and buildings that the drones focus on over and over again.

    This interception of drone video feeds was discovered late last year when a terrorist with a laptop was captured. US troops checked the laptop and were shocked to see drone video on the computer. As time went on, by July, 2009, more evidence revealed the same things on a variety number of laptops in Iraq. Interrogations revealed that they had received the "know how" from Iran in Iran. Recent events in Afghanistan reveal similar issues now with the Taliban using laptops.

    Oddly, the weak link is in the video link between the drone and ground control has has been known since Bosnia in the 90s! Encrypting the last link seems to be a difficult fix, even though, other links to satellites do not have that problem. There has been no fix because up to know, there was no need as the US did not feel the terrorists were capable of intercepting the video link. The fix is actually complicated since the system is a decade old and newer hardware must be in place. SkyGrabber, which costs $26, was created by a Russian programmer, Andrew Solonikov , who was shocked (bull****! shocked just found a major vunerability) to find out what his little program was capable of doing with some tinkering. He had designed it to steal music, photos etc. < sounds like a good cover story but steganography software style may conceal a program true intentions...)

    Mr Solonikov a free-agent member of the FSB? I'll let you work that one out...They wanted to work out the armor of the Abrams as well which I talked a while back with very advanced Russian RPG's in Iraq...'battlefield test'- duh.

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    The FSB are at it again? Why does not Russia leave the Baltic states alone. He killed himself how bloody convenient.

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    Spokesman Mihkel Loide told the local Delfi news agency that the gunman shot himself while the two hostages escaped during the ensuing police operation.

    The gunman, who according to some reports spoke Russian, fired several shots and set off a smoke bomb after entering the ministry. The police surrounded the building and deployed a bomb crew during the incident, according to the Baltic News Agency.

    Defense Minister Mart Laar was not in the building at the time of the incident and the Estonian media reported that the building was largely empty as many employees were on summer vacation.

    The gunman's motive remains unclear.

    A bombing in a Belarus Train station a while back too. Strange.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMZG...eature=related
    How to subvert a nation- and how to also undo subversion.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdy-s...1&feature=fvwp
    Hackers targeting police authorities may meet the same physical-fate. Give up while your ahead... 1 in every 4 hackers
    is a FBI informant. Not good odds...

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...s-fbi-informer
    The Guardian is worried and it should be. Like when Scotland Yard investigated News Limited. Calling informants
    criminal must imply some criminality involved in the releasing of stolen documents. Serious crime.

    Who you working with?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OyoNR4kiJ0
    (I'll keep up quiet here but since computers run most of the world just like Terminator once
    envisage there is a level of blowback to the world.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya2GkK64gtY
    Is the Cold War over or is it just a different twist?
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