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    Quote Originally Posted by JPD80 View Post
    Saw this on youtube, an old movie clip with B52 taking off a 15 second intervals.
    Elspeedo, do you think are they using wide-cut jet fuel or is that just old tech thruster jets?

    Boeing B-52G Stratofortress Minimum Interval Take Off (MITO) Better Quality
    old tech thruster jets the J-53? The H models use the newer JT3D engines.
    Look like the old smokey J-53 with water injection to help take-off and some JATO from the Hound Dog cruise missiles as well perhaps.


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    In September 2006, the B-52 became one of the first US military aircraft to fly using 'alternative' fuel. Syntroleum Corporation, a leader in Fischer-Tropsch process (FT) technology, announced that its Ultra-Clean jet fuel had been successfully tested in a B-52. It took off from Edwards Air Force Base with a 50/50 blend of FT and traditional JP-8 jet fuel which was burned in two of the eight engines on the aircraft. This marked the first time that FT jet fuel was tested in a military flight demo, and is the first of several planned test flights.[

    Interesting? Water injection to Jp-8 fuel? Sure would make them less smokey
    now would'nt it. Would boost hp as well as making them a little less obvious
    on takeoff. Man, those things are loud but- looks like there from Guam- just
    a guess...

    Well the F-15's have run gas as a additive to the old jet fuel and it has
    increased HP as well on takeoff...Like to try the new fuel out.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evEwvGm6LlE
    For those old enough to remember when the skies over Germany were
    as dangerous during 1983 in particular. Seeing contrails of F-15s and Foxhounds
    in the sky is something few do not forget either. Nor in Poland or
    the Czech republic at present.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoZ2f...eature=related
    It can outmaneuver a F-22 and is still flying after all these years. The F-22
    chase plane may well be its replacement now that production is halted.
    The Iseali Air Force and ANG are not interested in buying and maintainning
    F-22 when a uprated Eagle could meet the task and be a force multiplier as well.

    The 'Super-Eagle' was a stated replacement to the -C model fleets
    by the late 90's but they wasted money on the wonderjet f-22 instead.
    This decision had more to do with boardroom bureaucracy than a true sucessor
    the F-15 design as the NASA F-15 platform had most of the F-22 avionics...
    The only problem is if you can shoot down a F-22 (even a T-38 did : )
    the enemy will get its hands on the latest technology we have to offer-
    just like the F-117 shootdown over Yugoslavia in 1999. Also with the
    advent of plasma stealth on Russian planes maybe stealth has joined-
    supersonic, and maneuverability as a another tool in the fighter planes
    arsenal but not the magic bullet it originally promised.

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    The NASA F-15 was the first aircraft to demonstrate a fully integrated inlet-engine-
    flight control system, a self-repairing flight control system, and a propulsion-only flight control system.



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vwvyfDvrXM
    What a beautiful lass. One thing better than restoring a car in my opinion.
    A better one than drive it like you stole it. Flying it like a me109k is at 6 o clock...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi2CL...eature=related
    Prettier than I remember it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlfOWZHEGNk
    The real life version of running for your life. If I were him Id take him into a slow
    turning fight at lower altitude as the 'K' Gustav had better climb and handling at 30k.
    Never play your oponents advantages. The Dora-9 and especially the TA-152
    would be a equal to the Mustang

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y5LB...eature=related
    I think it crashed in a lake in Germany? Perfectly restored. Would give a mustang
    pilot a fright with a good stick behind the controls. Crank starting the old thing-lol
    The Mustangs as you can see are a sinch to start. Might have made a difference
    in a ground based scamble... I wonder when were going to see a Kawasaki Ki-100
    the only decent Japanese fighter that could fight the Mustang on even terms.
    Though earlier designs did resemble the Me109's shape. Safety First! At 3:02
    you can see the crazy cameraman too close to that big 3 blade prop!
    http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avhien.html



    The new Japanese fighter caused some pain and consternation among Allied pilots, particularly when they found out the hard way that they could no longer go into a dive and escape as they had from lighter Japanese fighters. 5th Air Force Commander General George Kenney found his P-40 Warhawks completely outclassed, and begged for more P-38 Lightnings to counter the threat of the new enemy fighter.

    Work was then done to add a turbosupercharger and water-methanol engine boost to the Ki-100 to provide improved high-altitude performance. The first prototype of this variant, designated the "Ki-100-II", flew in May 1945, with two more prototypes completed before Japan's surrender ended plans for production.

    Though with the P40 the turn rate was pretty good, jinking away from the bullets... it was well armoured as well
    something the P38 lacked.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewoi2...eature=related
    Some exotic Japanese jets that never saw the light of day.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08J2I...eature=related
    The Shinden vs the F80 or the 262? The fight that never was.

    http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...F15-052609.xml
    He's hoping the JSF gets scrapped and more Golden Eagles and F-22 instead. F- second rate bull****- sell it
    overseas the JSF cannot match even the F-15X spec with is 90% of the F-22 capability...
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    Scrap the JSF? Maybe the Brits already know of Russian 'plasma stealth' which has essentially made the technology now obsolete. After all the first stealth plane that was in official the F117a comes from the 70's. Its cheaper to build more Eurofighters which can turn on their ass and eat that single engine POS JSF. As for the USAF it can always buy more F-22's and new build F-15C/X updated to the Golden Eagle or even the superior STOL standard- for takeoffs on bombed out runways something the F-22 still cannot do. With better avoinics and stealth technology and better ECM it could defeat the vaunted Russian SAM systems placed in Iran...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Have_Blue

    http://www.defencemanagement.com/news_story.asp?id=9289
    So far all the JSF has done is suck money out of defense budgets and only
    still only have phototypes not to mention some traitor who leaked the
    secrets to the Chinese Govt on capability make this plane a lame duck more
    than ever. Maybe some Golden Eagles to replace our Ageing Hornet Fleet
    so we can have a better than than the JSF and also more battle proven
    not to mention being 90%+ of what the F-22 is...

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    China has denied allegations that it hacked into a Pentagon IT system and recovered plans for the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF).
    The combat aircraft which is to be procured by Britain as well, is being produced by Lockheed Martin.
    In allegations first reported in the Wall Street Journal, hackers stole "several terabytes of data related to design and electronics systems". The most sensitive data however on weapons systems and its stealth technology was not breached since it is kept on computers not connected to the internet. IT experts have said that they suspect the hackers came from China although it will be difficult to identify their exact origins. Hacking into IT systems as complex as the DoD's would require the help and capabilities of another government.(cough Russia or maybe Isreal- Pollard?)

    going from a counterintelligence perspective I think the Chinese Govt has some moles in the US Defense
    Dept or maybe even in Lockheed Martin...

    http://www.defencemanagement.com/news_story.asp?id=9265

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXpqQENL_hc
    Maybe this is how that Blackjack went under the radar. Its in Russian naturally. With this
    technology you could make a 747 invisble to radar- no need for the 'faceted' design
    shape any more and being much cheaper it could be implemented on whole fleets perhaps...

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1091175.html
    Hard to tell which side the Isrealis are playing on...nowonder they will never be sold the F-22.

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    Israel and Russia will be collaborating on the cutting-edge science of nanotechnology, which is the science of controlling matter at molecular or even atomic levels. Together with Russian nanotechnology investment company Rusnano, Jerusalem is setting up a $200 million joint investment fund, Israel's minister of Industry and Trade, Benjamin Ben-Eliezer, agreed this weekend in a meeting with Rusnano chairman Anatoly Chubais. The two met at an economic conference in St. Petersburg. The fund is actually the brainchild of none other than Israel's president, Shimon Peres, in coordination with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    http://www.menewsline.com/article-11...oordinate.aspx
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    MOSCOW [MENL] -- Israel and Russia have sought to coordinate defense
    exports.
    Officials said both countries have agreed that coordination and
    consultation on weapons exports would resolve most of their differences and
    enhance strategic cooperation. They said the Kremlin has agreed to an
    Israeli offer to inform the Jewish state of the weapons requests by such
    countries as Iran, Lebanon and Syria.
    "It is very important for us to elaborate a single approach on arms
    supplies to our regions the Middle East and the Caucasus," Israeli Foreign
    Minister Avigdor Lieberman said.
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    the uss usa has coped some damaging hits and now the rats are leaving drove's.
    question is will the uss usa make port for repairs before going out to battle again.
    mabey the shake they have recieved will make them reconsider some policy's from previous gov's
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyonsy View Post
    the uss usa has coped some damaging hits and now the rats are leaving drove's.
    question is will the uss usa make port for repairs before going out to battle again.
    mabey the shake they have recieved will make them reconsider some policy's from previous gov's
    So you think a major war is imminent as well, short of WWIII as well.
    They have been notoriously silent on Korea in the news just focusing
    on Iran- which is Isreals problem. Their alignment with Russia will be their
    downfall- it cannot play both sides for its own survival. There is no news
    either of Russia moving its mobile nukes in Europe as well.

    I have a bad feeling something horrible is going to go down and there is little
    we can do to stop it.
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    http://www.nationalterroralert.com/u...-in-us-planes/
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/W...ow/4412075.cms
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sec...ntagons_f.html

    A illaboration on the current JSF tech specs theft-

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    Chinese cyber spies have penetrated so deep into the US system — ranging from its secure defense network, banking system, electricity grid to putting spy chips into its defense planes — that it can cause serious damage to the US any time, a top US official on counter-intelligence has said.

    “Chinese penetrations of unclassified DoD networks have also been widely reported. Those are more sophisticated, though hardly state of the art,” said National Counterintelligence Executive, Joel Brenner, at the Austin University Texas last week, according to a transcript made available on Wednesday.

    Listing out some of the examples of Chinese cyber spy penetration, he said: “We’re also seeing counterfeit routers and chips, and some of those chips have made their way into US military fighter aircraft.. You don’t sneak counterfeit chips into another nation’s aircraft to steal data. When it’s done intentionally, it’s done to degrade systems, or to have the ability to do so at a time of one’s choosing.”

    Referring to the Chinese networks penetrating the cyber grids, he said: “Do I worry about those grids, and about air traffic control systems, water supply systems, and so on? You bet I do. America’s networks are being mapped. There has also been experience of both Chinese and criminal network operations in the networks of some of the banks”.

    this does sound rather messy Lyonsy.

    Will also make one person wonder if their computer systems chips could also be compromised or
    could have whats called in the lingo 'a gateway key' to gain hardware level access to a computer
    going under software and even executing remote code. The possibilities here are quite startling.
    (yet another reason not to use windows...)

    Maybe its time some computer parts are made in the US of A and allied nations as reliance
    on 'non friendly' countries now has shown how vulnerable some things really are. They may
    be making cheap computers but the level of security compromise could make one not
    go near one...

    I suppose their is a terrible irony here- Communist China and its industrialization over the past
    10-15 years closely mirrors that of Nazi Germany prior to WWII. Id still prefer not a hot
    war but a return to the Old Cold War instead. Building computers locally (like we once did
    in the early 80's and mid- late 90's is not so hard at all) and a strong manufacturing country
    helps in more ways than just employment only- its keeps your 'competitors' having mutual respect
    rather than getting a advantage in the short term over you only for you to realise it under a
    major security breach as of now.

    Quote-
    "Chinese Superhackers Are Our Superiors. No, wait. That's not it. I know ... Only the intelligence agencies are equipped to protect us from foreign cyber attacks."

    I think he's being a little too paranoid- allied hackers creating hacking well before Red China gave computers
    to its civillian populations. Its just our local talent has been somewhat hamstrung...
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    i only hope they keep it a limited war if it turns world were ducked.
    obama has vowed to defend the south.
    the chess piece's are falling in place......but will the usa poker win over the old gaurds chess.
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    The F-22 gets shot down not by a SAM but by a hostile congress.
    Hopefully more money for newer F-15 and F-16s as they are more
    needed in bombing runs than the go-go gadget F-22 is. Due to its
    technology and ironically rumours of Russian 'plasma' stealth may
    have sealed its fate. Much like the super-sophisticated XB-70 that
    got canned due to Russian rumours of high flying SAM's.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OASEYdpu284
    The XB-70 was better than the trusty B-52 but it was one expensive bird.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev8Lq...eature=related

    its bacl but for how long...
    The origins of the F-22? The Blackbird of course. For those who go to
    the museums and 'see' them the avoincs have been removed in some
    areas...you won't see any YF-12/D-21 in there though.


    If there building the F-15SE (much needing for Taliban scurry stuff)
    maybe some more money for some new 'C' based aiframes...trust vectored
    as well as new avionics would supplement
    F-22 lack of aircraft instead. Looks like this business wise is a major
    fail by Lockheed and another atta boy to Boeing. The JSF Budget overrun
    and delay in production may also lead to it being canned. The Uk says
    it Harriers can run well into the 21st century- thats confidence.

    http://blog.usni.org/?p=2077#comments
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32028667..._news-military

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    WASHINGTON - The Senate voted Tuesday to terminate further production of the U.S. Air Force's topline F-22 fighter jets, giving President Barack Obama a major spending victory and siding with the Pentagon's desire for smaller jets better suited to 21st-century wars.

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    The 57th Adversary Tactics Group undertook some interesting tactics not contained in the overall [scripted] intelligence scenario. These involved surprise threats, generally Red Air [enemy] fighters, entering the air battle unexpectedly. White Force [exercise control] staff would confirm that the threat was Red and Blue Air [the "good guys"] had to react. The tactic worked. An F-16C pilot assigned to the 64th Aggressor Squadron gained the first-ever F-22 kill in Red Flag. [94th commander] Lt. Col. Dirk Smith told AFM: "At least half of the 94th FS crews had less than 50 hours in the F-22 and no matter how magical the F-22, any pilot can make a mistake. The beauty of Red Flag is that we were able to go out and practice our tactics in a challenging scenario, make a mistake, learn a lesson, and be that much better prepared for actual combat."


    other shootdowns by F-15s, Eurofighters? A-10s and even a angry t-38 show that the plane don't maketh the machine its the darned pilot that does. Getting beaten by a F-16- how humiliating.
    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2007...rst-f-22-rapt/


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8162106.stm

    Checkout day for new toys at the 526th- a old crew home made video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQL9Kxxd88s&feature=fvw

    Fed up with lack of power in your Falcon GT, Skyline GT-R, Corvette, Ferrari or Porsche? Heres a few thousand pounds of thrust at a quite affordable price- though you need to be 'jet rated' for your pilots license...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq110...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBU-A...eature=related
    Is he going into selling aeroplanes- lol
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    only 50 hours and there in flying f22's .
    i would of throught that it would be progression sucssion start in f16 then f15if can hadle the badboy f15 then go f22.
    and then give them 100hours training before they even see combat with other squads.
    this making the f22 seem even better then its statsas you have only your elite flying them.
    and since there more fagile then the f15 leave the more hamfisted pilot's in them as they will take a beating and fly home with out wing's lol.
    come on can the strike fighter pos and give us aussies some thrust vectoring f15's replaces the f1/11 and fa/18 and the proposed fa/18 superhornets.
    what more do you want from aircraft they can strategic bomb dog fight like no other and will almost allways fly home if the pilot live's.
    btw is not about time aircraft carried tiny missles that locked on to sam site missles to take them out doesent matter how big your radar sig is if there missles cant touch ya.
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    so whats happening with the joint strike failure?
    been canciled yet?
    thise sr71 are sexy beast's gotta love an aircraft that unless was flying at its flt out dident like flying, leaked like a sithe on the ground and got fuel in the air cause it dident leak fuel then lol.
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    whats the advantage of the jsf over an f15 the only i can see is you dont need to point the aircraft at a target to get missile lock (which kinda reminds me of vetnam where the west become dependent on missile's.

    can our fa/18's land and take off on a us carrier? and what is there task in our airforce as there not a air superiority aircraft and where not when new there not good at giving ground suport so what is there role?

    would it not be more cost effective to purchase f15E then to lease the f/a18 super hornet which from what i can research is an overweight underperforming aircraft.

    75 F15E with the thrust vectoring engine's and f22 control's making one nasty bomber/fighter
    25 F15d with thrust vectoring engine's and f22 control's for air superiority
    25 T10 thunderbolts as troop suport and helcopter suport (hell if angrey pilots in these can shoot down a f22 they can take those pesky russian's to

    this would also put us in a closer relationship with japan and south korea with if required able to fly missions over asia and have 2 possible ports of call for repair and rearment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyonsy View Post
    whats the advantage of the jsf over an f15 the only i can see is you dont need to point the aircraft at a target to get missile lock (which kinda reminds me of vetnam where the west become dependent on missile's.

    can our fa/18's land and take off on a us carrier? and what is there task in our airforce as there not a air superiority aircraft and where not when new there not good at giving ground suport so what is there role?

    would it not be more cost effective to purchase f15E then to lease the f/a18 super hornet which from what i can research is an overweight underperforming aircraft.

    75 F15E with the thrust vectoring engine's and f22 control's making one nasty bomber/fighter
    25 F15d with thrust vectoring engine's and f22 control's for air superiority
    25 T10 thunderbolts as troop suport and helcopter suport (hell if angry pilots in these can shoot down a f22 they can take those pesky russian's to

    this would also put us in a closer relationship with japan and south korea with if required able to fly missions over asia and have 2 possible ports of call for repair and rearment.

    Not going into too much technical detail but a pilot now can lock
    on by radar by eyesight so that gives that old Fashioned Clint Eastwood
    firefox touch to things. I wonder how that Russia black 'stealth jet' is
    going. Though with canted wings I doubt it could achive high supersonic
    speeds as the wings are canted forward and with a sharp 45 degree plus
    angle would make it nimble though. Then the continued rumours about
    the 'Plasma Strealth stuff' and the F-22s production cancellation.
    Though a thrust vectored F-15 (hello
    Congress budget F-22 for a lot less) could do the same things. I would also
    be a way for Lockheed martin to shoehorn most of the F-22 goodies back
    into the F-15 (keeping no worries then for F-22 serviceability long term either)
    as if anybody knows anybody in the aviation community
    the avionics testbed for the F-22 was a two seat F-15B.

    The aircraft or F-15 Variant you are talking about designation is the F-15 STOL.
    The logical match for the thrust vectored Mig29.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-15_S/MTD
    http://www.masdf.com/eagle/advancede...5active01b.jpg
    The F-15D was the two seater of the -C.
    It was planned as a replacement for -C model fleets to replace through natural
    attrition as well as newer avoinics and thrust vectoring. You can then take
    off and land on freeways and side roads like the Swedes and Swiss do.

    Quote-
    demonstrated vectored takeoffs with rotation at speeds as low as 42 mph (68 km/h)!!!!!
    and this is one thing the F-22 cannot do.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd79f71gpcg
    The Ninjas. Pure F-15 sound no music. When the F-15 goes 90
    you can hear it spool. That was not even in reheat either. I still
    prefer the word reheat anyway as afterburner sounds like
    some aftershave or something.

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread193935/pg4
    The argument rages on. Though a improved thurst vectored F-15 looks like
    being built now to offset the lack of F-22's. NASA has already built them
    and with newer avoinics it 90% of a F-22 for cheaper.

    I think your right Lyonsy in these tough times cutbacks on fancy stealthy
    **** will be replaced by battlefield necessities in front line aircraft less
    the fancy superweapons.

    http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-11902.html
    http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/th....html#comments
    Super-Hornet kill on F-22. Looks like the word invincible by Lockheed Martin was a very foolish decision.
    Its the skill of the pilot that always makes any plane look good. You don't see many aces with 50 flying
    hours. Obviously the Hornet pilot took the F-22 out of its favorite BVR habitat and took it to guns and IR...
    where it good eyesight., reflexes and tactics that win the day and stealth has little to do but run and hide...


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ptBxwuUh7Q
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgCXu...eature=related
    The story that refuse to die- the Pulse Detonation Aurora- the successor the Blackbird?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2rw_...eature=related
    They should thank the Germans and the Horten brothers or Jack Northtrop? Its
    is not seen or heard well- till something happens.
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    iam not so much thinking due to cutbacks, more thinking what you need in time's of war.
    and what you need is not the high tech hard to fix gadget you need the K,I,S,S with something that can take a beating and still dish it.
    those plane's have been proven to do that.

    this has been proven time and again

    the battle of britton wasent won by the spitfire it was won by the hurrican which unlike the spitfire could come home shot to bits pilot taken away in a meat wagon but that plane was back up in the next raid.
    the spitfire's couldent take that kind of hammering and make it home.

    the saber's of korea can also claim this as it was underperforming to the enemy being flown by ww2 experience leveled the field.

    vetinam this was lost and the result stands.

    after vetinam america sat back took a look and built some of the finest aircraft that are still top level aircraft, with the a10 thunderbolt 2,F-14 tomcat,F-15
    and after almost 4 decade's they still are the plane's that has everything else compared to, that speaks buckets.
    imagen if the f18 superhornet had not been built and stol equiped f14 tomcat was the navy would have one awsome plane.

    there is no magic bulliet that protect's your plane's in war but making them a survivable does go a long way.

    but who in there right mind would send up 50hour pilot's in your latest gadget or do the F-15 boys tell them get stuffed i want to keep my brut.
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    http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/th...8g_f22kill.jpg
    Now that was a huge ego boost to those 'non stealth' planes. Get in guns range- anybodies toast.

    Were you get F111 parts from- from the wreckers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyonsy View Post
    i

    After vetinam america sat back took a look and built some of the finest aircraft that are still top level aircraft, with the a10 thunderbolt 2,F-14 tomcat,F-15
    and after almost 4 decade's they still are the plane's that has everything else compared to, that speaks buckets.
    imagen if the f18 superhornet had not been built and stol equiped f14 tomcat was the navy would have one awsome plane.

    there is no magic bulliet that protect's your plane's in war but making them a survivable does go a long way.

    but who in there right mind would send up 50hour pilot's in your latest gadget or do the F-15 boys tell them get stuffed i want to keep my brut.
    The Russian planes are always compared to the American ones. After all
    it was a variant of the British Nene Jet that winded up in the Mig 15. The nuke
    Secrets also got stolen. I think what killed the F-22 is its next generation
    avoinics and systems especially- making it actually better suited as a E-bird
    rather than risking it in dogfights. The Aiforce did make a better plane than
    the F-15C however it is so expensive to maintain and upgrade and also
    with its avoinics and system impossible to sell overseas (even to our
    most nicest friends) makes it another A-12 or SR71 revist. Yes as you know
    the SR-71 was planned as the ultimate interceptor jet with a weapons
    load but it was canned due to the 'Skunk Rules' and who knows what else.


    The F-14 and F-15 were designed due to the shortcommings experienced with the 'Century Series' and the F-4 Phantom had against Mig-15/19/21/23? at the Vietnam War. As everybody knew the bull**** rules of engagement is that allowed Migs to attack at will but we could not defend ourselves unless 'attacked'. Wow with a hand tied behind your back- that politics. Sort of like Pakistan today.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQAVb...eature=related
    Back before Top Gun and the glamour bit there was this movie that got me interested actually.
    I just hope N Korea does not get any ideas. It was one of those old movies. Well they
    did not get a captured Mig-15 back then so F-84's were good enough. Thats right
    no bloody radio chatter!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF-SC...eature=related
    and the my other favorite -Then for the fly navy folks- Toko Ri...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nPdV...eature=related
    Yes William Holden was talking politics. He did loose his brother in WWII.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nKuo...eature=related
    Top Gun the sequel- rofl.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XogUG...eature=related
    The Gripens are a major leap over the Mig29. AESA? Maybe...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vRJF...eature=related
    Don't look at this JPD80. Man its sad but we all know that our favorite
    birds are somebodies fry pan or museum piece one day.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upaGS...eature=channel
    Killing is a unfourtunate business but exists nethertheless.
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    our f/a18's have what around 20 years left in there airframe's how would they go with some thrust vectoring add the Active Aeroelastic Wing would save quite a lot $$$$ in upgrading/downgrading the fleet to the jsf
    its a pity we never continued to slowly build f/a18's here at least then you have factory's all ready geared up to produce aircraft for national defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyonsy View Post
    our f/a18's have what around 20 years left in there airframe's how would they go with some thrust vectoring add the Active Aeroelastic Wing would save quite a lot $$$$ in upgrading/downgrading the fleet to the jsf
    its a pity we never continued to slowly build f/a18's here at least then you have factory's all ready geared up to produce aircraft for national defense.

    well I have to mention personal bias

    scrap the 'crippled' JSF get the F-15SE with all the goodies and turn
    the F-18F's into Growlers . Parts supply and relibility wise
    the JSF- is the joint strike failure. Lockheed used to make great
    planes now they are to half hearted about business these days.
    Lockheed wants US Budget money for a new engine as the last
    one was crap and underpowered. Not to mention only having
    a single engine it will feel like flying a single engine Mirage again.
    Now those things were real reliable after a birdstrike or foreign
    object ingestion at low altitude...

    I heard India is looking for its new Fighter Bomber Aircraft
    competition with Suchoi for a 1.2 billion Euro contracts....?
    Help sales as you'd imagine.

    Or yes if you want to go buget soup up the F-18 with Full Digital
    Flight control systems - aerolastic wing and thrust vectoring and
    you got one mean machine as well. Though as you know thrust vectoring
    consumes allot of fuel and if a modern IR missile is within close enough
    range it will detonate anyway...

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    The delay has become serious, however, and rising costs for the JSF program seem to be certain. In Holland, Parliament started a discussion again last week. Understanding the background behind these delays, and the pressures on European governments, is important to any realistic assessment of the F-35’s European strategy – and of the procurement plans in many European defense ministries…
    http://www.independentweekly.com.au/...s/1687925.aspx
    Development of the JSF has been subject to frequent criticism because of the aircraft's cost, late delivery and a failure to live up to promises, especially its all-important but highly classified stealth capability.

    which Russian radars prove to be not the biggest thing in the world...

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    There is little comfort to be had when the JSF community publicly admits that its air combat simulations were based on Russian Sukhoi Flanker fighter variants designed nearly two decades ago, and assumptions about opposing air combat doctrine which ceased to be true over a decade ago. When the JSF community assert that they can defeat current long range SAMs by using AESA radar jamming, it is an admission that the aircraft’s stealth was not good enough in the first place, an inevitability as contemporary SAM system radars are now much more powerful – a situation that is worsening and favouring traditional opponents as well as those who purchase such capabilities.

    http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...roblems-04311/
    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...f-when-not-if/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-400_(SAM) Nato Code Name (geez we still have them- SA-21 Growler)
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    The S-400 system is intended to engage current and future air threats such as tactical and strategic aircraft, Tomahawk cruise missiles and other type missiles, including precision-guided ones, as well as AWACS aircraft, at ranges of up to 400 km. It can also detect stealth aircraft and other targets at all altitudes of their combat employment and at maximum ranges.

    "The long-range missile," Vladimir Svetlov says, "has no analogs. The other missile, the 9M96, does have foreign counterparts, such as an advanced American missile for the PAC-3 Patriot system, but outperforms it, as well as the French Aster, in terms of overall effectiveness by approximately twofold."


    http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1010153
    Classic EU-US F-35 project 'tentions' seems to have turned now into a international fiasco! The bitterness of TSR-2 lingers.
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    As for the F-15 longeron and stabilizer problems were fixed yonks ago
    the Su-30 fleet is having engine trouble...

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    December 02, 2009, (Sawf News) - The Su-30MKI that crashed on Monday, November 30, had both its engine fire warning lights on.

    It is not clear if the pilots established that there was indeed a fire before ejecting. False fire warning indications are not unheard of, though twin false warnings can only be indicative of very poor design or manufacturing.

    The IAF has grounded the entire fleet for precautionary checks. If the fire warnings were not false, the fleet could face a prolonged grounding, to let the manufacturers determine if the engine failures were mechanical or flight condition related and come up with suitable remedial measures.

    "Preliminary indications are that it was caused due to a technical defect. The pilots ejected after they saw fire alarm buttons glowing red... Probably the engines were on fire,'' said a source.

    The aircraft, which was participating in fire-power exercises at Pokharan range, had taken off from Jodhpur at about 4:45 pm. It crashed at 5:30 pm in an open field near Jetha Ki Dhani, about 5 km from the Army's Chandan firing range in Jaisalmer district.

    The two pilots, Wing Commander Srivastava and Flight Lieutenant Arora, ejected safely.

    Earlier, a Su-30MKI crashed near Pokharan on April 30 at Rajmathai village, around 170 km from Jaisalmer, after the pilots lost control of the aircraft.
    Both the pilots - Wing Commander PS Nara and Wing Commander SV Munje - ejected but the former was killed during the ejection sequence.
    The mishap was attributed to the awkward positioning of some critical flight control switches in the aircraft. Located behind the pilots the switches have to be operated without the pilots being able to see them. A wrong switch was inadvertently flipped causing the crash.
    The crash was attributed to a "mix of human error, a design flaw and a system malfunction."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyonsy View Post
    the jsf which one are we getting?
    there ae 3 rember one is supose to replace the harrier jump jet which whould actully suit aust current postion in the world.
    but the 18 should be replaced with the f15 golden eagles if we cant have the f22
    but what can we use to replace the f111 i dont think there is a really capable fighter bomber atm
    Since the economy should enter a deflationary period..
    I thought they could chop the price
    and make new -C airframes with TVC (proven by NASA
    to be a equal to the -22 maybe) and canards? If you have
    the airframes- you can always put on
    new parts.

    Maybe the Japanese are still making them.
    Well that would be a interesting idea...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zohc7...eature=related
    Cool calm and collected.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG84tzhFvqQ
    and when things go wrong. One ejected safety the other made a energency landing.
    For a SU-30 pilot the first 2-5 seconds is vital. Things can happen very quickly.
    Unlike a car you cannot pull to the side of the road. As for somebodies speculation
    on that ACM- disorientation can make on loose sight of things...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hecyx...eature=related
    Smash your spinal cord in a million bits or dare I say it if the ejection fails...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL1Fb...eature=related
    Loosing complete flight control- o crap. They could have a bloody English
    translation.

    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2008...35-chief-boei/
    and people thought Ford vs Holden rivalry got bad. We can get more
    F-18s/F-15s filling the sky than Lockheed can get a reliable F-35 prototype- rofl.
    Many countries im sure are loosing their patience as well as realising the F-35 systems
    are crap and dumbed out and they cannot perform their own local updates and mods
    without the skunkers knowing about everything. With modern technology
    and all the F-35 program is now 3-8 years too late and is jeopardizing
    US fighter fleet availability due to their acquiescence. Lockheed is not
    the same company that made the Blackbird and U2 on TIME AND BUDGET!!!
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    When Will it ever fly? I heard the Smithsonian will give a good bid. It can join all those other wonders the just did not make it.
    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009...ry-pity-party/
    A war on ethics in defense contracting? Should be good to get
    out a few 'Cunninghams' who think the system is a license
    to print money rather than national defense which what
    was the whole thing was built for as Eisenhower said.
    I hope Lockheed cut the price of its JSF dramatically
    otherwise SuperHornets and SuperEagles are
    4.75/5 of what they are and already have fleets
    able to switch- without the dreaded- learn the new
    gagdet routine...its reminded me allot of the F-111 program
    and its offshoot the F-14 Tomcat...

    and alas as the Russian have boasted they can supposedly
    be able to track stealth by radar. Industrial espionage
    does not help things either after the Chinese somehow
    got hands on 30% of code. Nowonder the Poms are
    angry they cannot modify it but Chinese can.

    This reminded me of when unfourtunatley Lockheed last
    time thought the U-2 was out of missile range. Garry Powers
    learned the hard way.

    Tom fooleryx10.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11655893/
    He once was a great fighter pilot. He let the team down.


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    The Bernie Madoff of the fighter community.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeFix...eature=related
    P-51 vs FW-190 in a do-or die and one scary adversary. Is that one
    or two? crap.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0AK4...eature=related
    A real '*****ing Betty'. The poor husband.
    or atleast 'hydraulics failure' 'engine 1 fail' engine 2 fail' 'attitude' 'systems failure' 'diagnostics invalid' or the dreaded 'pull-up'.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tzd-Qa3CFI&feature=fvw
    other member of the supporting cast- neat moves.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYfpGtAU5RI&NR=1
    Dr Strangelove and B1 ground crews he he

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxJt4...eature=related
    The F-15 folks show how its done. Screwing over MIg29's- he he he...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCREx...eature=related
    Thats cool, lets do it again!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k5fRelDeeg&NR=1
    Occupational Health and Safety Gone to Far in the Korean penninsula?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUltb...eature=related
    For the last time- for Tomcat crew and fans.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWDBh...eature=related
    One pilot advises potential terrorists onboard advises of pilots arms...I wonder what the hostess is carrying- he he...
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    The science of Bull**** and the JSF.

    We need a new engine do we? I heard they can barely hold it
    together. How about the range....?

    http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-NOTAM-190209-1.html

    http://www.alexstoll.com/AircraftOfTheMonth/5-00.html
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    In the essay, Frankfurt sketches a theory of bull****, defining the concept and analyzing its applications. In particular, Frankfurt distinguishes bull****ting from lying; while the liar deliberately makes false claims, the bull****ter is simply uninterested in the truth. Bull****ters aim primarily to impress and persuade their audiences. While liars need to know the truth, the better to conceal it, the bull****ter, interested solely in advancing his own agenda, has no use for the truth. Following from this, Frankfurt claims that "bull**** is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbZ2Q6lStJE
    The McDonnell Douglas and BaE concept and the X-36 which was the real JSF???? Still single engines suck.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BZGg...eature=related
    Better than the Lockheed JSF? It had less problems...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVG9x...eature=related
    Still way ahead of its time- the real ATF. Better than the F-22 and dare I say it a 'major problem' for a F-15...Politics killed her

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3ghm...eature=related
    The second best? Well that a open question- at lower cost? Maybe thats what killed the F-22 in the end.

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    Once again the USAF released a design requirement for the Advanced Technology Fighter (ATF) program. Competing bids by Lockheed/Boeing/General Dynamics and Northrop/McDonnell-Douglas were awarded and a fly-off would determine the winner. Once again Lockheed came out on top and was awarded the ATF contract for the F-22 Raptor. Sources state that Northrop’s entry, the YF-23, was clearly a superior aircraft and the reason it as not awarded to them was that Northrop held the B-2 bomber contract.

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread236040/pg1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1250fZuhUg
    Friction heat and Mach 3+ and the titanium story....and it drinks more than a 351...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6cZL...eature=related
    Top Gear rides the two seater U-2 and the curvature of the earth. Rather humbling.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9W1O...eature=related
    For those who never grew up. That ground controller would probably have been thrown
    airborne by the tens of thousands of pounds of thrust on finals!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWwLD...1&feature=fvwp
    a-10'S and the squirrel.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFcXS...eature=related
    Whatever happened to the BD-10. The kit-build jet with supersonic performance?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFSF_Byis6I
    Old girl J-79 including reheat test- old memories...slightly uneven flow rate needs a tune...the cameraman
    gets away it gets rather warm.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gPc2...eature=related
    Mini-Me the BD-5

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgBQY...eature=related
    Phantoms Forever? Well still flying after all these years.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdqGH...eature=related
    AMRAAM capable now thats a big upgrade to a 60's bird...
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    bd-10
    it looks like chain's jets they designed and built them selfs in the 1980's
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyonsy View Post
    bd-10
    it looks like chain's jets they designed and built them selfs in the 1980's
    Redesign the rear fuserlarge to accommodate a J79, though fuel
    consumption range could be a problem maybe a Hawker hunter
    engine..would be a little better. Rolls Royce Avon....

    I heard they had problems with structural rigility and people trying to fly
    them like the real deal. Maybe the kit just needed improvement or
    a self imposed g limit...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWFD4...eature=related
    Im a F-15 no no im a SU-35...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRcHu...eature=related
    SU-35 engine testing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm_4X...eature=related
    Just testing the radars.
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    yeah thats the problem when you try to out fly an f15 with a junker.

    just a question thurst vectoring comsume's more fuel and leave's a bigger heat trail.
    how hard would it be to move the engine rather then the stream of propulsion? f15 would be a good test bed
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    Is the F-35 going to get the 'sledge'.

    Overpriced piece of junk a old Mirage III would be better.
    [img]http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/01392/web-gable-F35-o_1392103cl-8.jpg/[img
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    US Defence Secretary Robert Gates has sacked the marine general overseeing a $40bn (£25bn) project to build the next generation strike fighter jet.

    Mr Gates said the F-35 programme had been plagued by problems and failed to hit performance targets.
    He also said Lockheed Martin, the US corporation responsible for building the jet, would not be awarded $614m in performance-related payouts.
    The Pentagon wants the F-35 to replace most of its ageing fighter jets.

    business executives don't fly planes pilots do.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8492430.stm

    http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/th...fraud-law.html
    The F-22 and the lawsuit that followed.

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    his of course is not the first time that the real and practical capability of the stealth of the F-22 has come into question. Just last February, POGO reported that the maintenance requirements for the stealth capability significantly reduced the F-22's mission capability. As we said at the time, we believed that this may have been one of the primary reasons why then-Defense Department Acquisition Chief John Young said that the F-22's mission capable rate was too low to waste additional taxpayer dollars on further procurement.

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...re-lapses.html
    Who stole the software and compromised the F-35. Very interesting.


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    A newly unsealed lawsuit accuses Lockheed Martin of developing corrupt and possibly dangerous software for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter flight control system and then lying about it to the government.

    Sylvester Davis, former software lead and software product manager for the F-35 flight control application at Lockheed Martin, has filed the False Claims Act suit in US District Court for the Virgin Islands. Davis' lawsuit recommends to the court that Lockheed should "immediately" stop developing software for the F-35 to "avoid further waste" of resources and the "serious risks" to F-35 pilots.

    "The software contains substantial corruption," says the lawsuit, "which has multiplied significantly the risks that the software will not operate as intended."
    The lawsuit also alleges that Davis informed Lockheed managers of the software problems and attempted to change their processes to meet the government's contractual standards.
    While initially Lockheed presented Davis with an award for raising awareness of the issue, the lawsuit says, the company failed to correct the underlying problems.

    Those F-15SE/STOL Supercruise is looking a better buy....and some Growlers.

    Russia's new stealth jet.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXBs4PNdE_A
    The T-50

    http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/ai...5-doomed-9750/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVH8dI-ZTbA
    Yes he flew P-40's in Darwin and was probably the best Mustang pilots that ever was....George Preddy.
    He tragically became a victim of friendly fire chasing a Fw190 at low altitude. Theres a old saying
    some people just do a job- while others are born for it...
    Quote-
    He was commanding officer of the 328th Fighter Squadron, 352nd Fighter Group when he was killed on Christmas Day, 1944 by friendly fire. Mid-morning of December 25, Preddy and his flight of 10 Mustangs, which had been patrolling for about 3 hours, received vectors to a dogfight already in progress. Preddy engaged two Bf 109s, destroying them. He received radar vectors to intercept a lone FW 190 which had been strafing allied ground forces southeast of Liege, Belgium; he led his flight of 3 Mustangs and gave chase, but passing over the Allied front line at tree-top height, an American anti-aircraft unit (believed to be the a battery of the 430th AA attached to the 258th FABN XIXth), fired at the approaching aircraft, missed the enemy aircraft, and hit all 3 of the P-51s, killing Preddy whose aircraft hit the ground at high speed and low angle of attack causing it to break up into many pieces. Preddy had no chance of surviving the crash.

    His letters home showed Preddy to be a true believer with a philosophy of life that seemed beyond his 25 years. Meyer wrote that he was a man with a "core of steel in a largely sentimental soul." Among other virtues, Preddy showed boundless loyalty to the men with whom he flew, and a typically American attitude toward air-to-air fighting. He once said, "I'm sure as hell not a killer, but combat flying is like a game, and a guy likes to come out on top."
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHoU62vNGJ8

    George's brother William Preddy was also a P-51 pilot in the ETO in World War II with the 503rd FS, 339th FG. He died from lack of immediate medical care for wounds he sustained after being shot down by AAA while strafing Budejovice aerodrome in Czechoslovakia on the April 17, 1945.
    http://www.flyingknights.net/humpty/...ics/preddy.htm
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lW2nU4vRWM
    The legend of Y-29..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoZWn...eature=related
    Flying the P-51 just a little bit harder. Notice the expert throttle technique through loops. No room for error wingtip to wingtip.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ziz5O...eature=related
    Never losing a bomber over Germany- the Red Tailed wolves- the Tuskegee Airmen.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSWEO...eature=related
    Goodbye -262...and a captured P-51. The better pilot won.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqehC...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LofmuZoIp2A
    Hartmann vs Preddy? That would be a fight to the death that never was. 352 kills. Still unequaled to this day.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/HayateAc.../0/STFdRrWBW2w
    Gunther Rall- One of the surviving Fw190 aces.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9x3r4VWAyE
    Bader- who says you need to stop living? Never give up.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PCE9...eature=related
    Wise words from the CO. Maybe it applies to many other things in life as well.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjz8p...eature=related
    Give me a squadron of Spitfires...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjDRC...eature=related
    Good for the larks...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIgyN...eature=related
    The gold 'ole boys get ready for a morning run. Trust is a mutual thing and I promise not to break it...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtRKK...eature=related
    Fancy Moves from old Belgian French Mirage III (? variant)- he obviously thinks he does not need thrust vectoring...he he.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfb2L...eature=related
    F-16 rundown, man there cramped.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv9YC...eature=related
    The F-16 aggressor pilots trick on the F-22?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3uFJ...eature=related
    Its just a bit better than those Mirage 5's of old.... They did good at Nellis last Red Flag.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvyGT...eature=related
    Every egomaniacs idol in the dictatorship contests- who else but big Kim.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XD2B...eature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKDAB...eature=related
    Yep he is right, 21 is a higher number than 15 and 31 is even higher. I like his thinking-rofl
    The best of Jared...

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread184631/pg1
    conspiracy theories surrounding the F-117 shootdown in 1999. Stealth ain't everything...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmqLyn4Q15U
    Stealth needing ECM support jets? SO much for stealth...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPFhi...eature=related
    running into a F-16.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5cbK54Mlt4
    With the power to weight of the Gripen compared to the JSF I wonder who would win...
    It can also take of from very very short runways...radar comparable to Rafale or Super Hornet AESA...
    power to weight similar to block 52 F-16 but with canards...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNlGg...eature=related
    Kind of handy if your runways get levelled.

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    The new Gripen NG (Next Generation) will have many new parts and will be powered by the General Electric F414G, a development of the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet's engine. The engine will produce 20% more thrust at 98 kN (22,000 lbf), enabling a supercruise speed of Mach 1.1 with air-to-air missiles.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAS_39_...t_developments
    The JSF cannot supercruise. Its too slow its a pathetic bomb truck and bird bait for Super-Hornets/F-15s and Flankers/Fulcrum/Pak-FA. Pak-FA and Silent Eagle/Rafale/Eurofighter/Gripen NG as well but not JSF...
    200m landing run? Only the STOL F-15 beats that but that was never built- so far...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJQKC...eature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr3WR...eature=related
    The mad Vikings made good training.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9YtD...eature=related
    9gs of considerable discomfort for a long period of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraken View Post
    We probably disagree here, but I feel that our not getting F22 would be more due to US political issues domestically, than our not being trusted with it.

    As you well know, it has been a hot potato for a long time now in Washington.

    Plus, it would be more prudent of us to get our hands on it once it's been field tested in combat.

    Or we could tease the yanks and tell them we will look at the Eurogfighter seriously now......

    All that said - I love F22, and would love for the RAAF to be flying it.
    Would you think the USAF would sell us the airframe only
    with its special secrets and our own produced EW and radar
    avoincs suite? Could get the production line going now
    that F-16 airframes are due to be stopped soon.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnSy5...eature=related
    A helicopter chasing a car for fun. PoW training? Would not want to be on the receiving end.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtvb9...eature=related
    F-16 vs Mig29 DACT fun.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8557293.stm
    blood in the boardroom.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1PKz...eature=related
    you stole my ride.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbBR...eature=related
    And you thought your local traffic was bad, warzones are full of surprises.



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