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    Default Re: No F-22 for Australia

    The F-22 is a expensive toy the F-15 is the heavyweight boxer.
    The F-22 is designed to harass enemy Migs and cause caos
    and do the runner. The F-15s take care of the main fighter
    and bomber force. It is a shame they are not making more
    airframes of the C spec airframes as the non-FBW planes
    are bloody near indestructible as you can see. The guy who
    designed it was way way way ahead of his time. The F-22
    due to its stealth characteristics cannot carry any external
    stores otherwise its RCS would increase and then be a target.

    I call the F-15 as the 'brick wall' the Migs fly into. Thats a new
    one the flying SAM site- well I spose I have heard that one before...
    Well when that Flanker pilot is looking on his RWR and see's 4
    'slammers' heading towards him and his wingman...well.
    time to eject guys.

    - aerodynamically impossible. You should see the acrobatics she
    can do in battle- classified. A strong airframe makes for big G stunts. The pilot
    is the limitation on the F-15 not the plane!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3W5yo51mO0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEMCB...elated&search=
    Unstable control surfaces at low speed....bad design....or a crazy pilot or both?
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    Default Re: No F-22 for Australia

    had a laugh today watching a strike plane doco.
    had the f15 f16 f117 f35jsf and euro fighter.
    they said the euro fighter whould win in a dog fight due to being able to sustain a constant 9g turn where a f15 can only sustain it a 1 sec or so.'
    should send them that and the 40g pull up id like to see any plane do a 40g pull up and fly home
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    Default Re: No F-22 for Australia

    the Eurofighter- well... they can fly it not me. It hasn't even
    got first blood yet. The F-15 is the only fighter plane to
    have a perfect record of over 200+ to 0.

    Maybe the F-15 pilots were not trying they keep
    their tricks under the sleeve for good reason.
    They can win as many combat exercises they want!
    Real battle sorts em out.

    A F-15 could get hit by a missile, riddled with bullets and fly home
    after bagging a few too many Migs. A Eurofighter would be a flaming mess
    from a single hit. Its something modern designers have forgot-
    battlefield survivability.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu21W...elated&search=
    Hi-Speed kills and a even quicker grave.
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    yep good old survivability aircraft can be replaced a lot easier and quicker then poilets can be trained to top level with experiance.
    reminds me of the old hurrican ww2 fighter modern design but still with bolser wood frame and fabric wings they whould litrally fly in shot to pieces where a spitfire whould of been shot down long before the airfield be reloaded and flyback to battle then have service crew work all night patching them up for the next day.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEnDjwXnj3Y this is an excleent dog fight and shows why tough planes skilled polits are needed when the plane takes a licking from both the zeros and its own pilot performing 9g turns for over 20mins and flys back to base
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    Default Re: No F-22 for Australia

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_8mTt05Ig4&NR=1
    You'll love this one. You become bones in the end. (off the scales profanity warning)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybk8y...elated&search=
    Nice.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTC_A...elated&search=
    The best-gets better?

    Long live bones.
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    yeah your right i do like them
    id love to see what bones thinks on the euro lol
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdHRXr1vOXM&NR=1
    Look up close on the airframes skin makes modern jets look many years old-er.
    With the Russians now planning thrust vectoring now in their new Mig29
    is'nt it about time to put -229's in -C's and the NASA thrust vectoring
    kit so on.

    I can evisioned its capable in some DoE engines now in development
    to fracture hydrogen just like the Me163's later variants. You can
    nearly double the thurst. Aaaaah supercruise .5.

    Its not demonstrating its full capability- yet.
    Where's my test flight? They say its 50% easier
    to fly because the new computer does all the
    other monotonous work for you so you can
    concerntrate on the business.

    http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/Pho...IVE/index.html

    http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/Pho...6-43485-5.html
    wonderous airframe.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeiqMn7xb_Y
    new contender.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTIBQ...elated&search=
    Like cars you can also 'hot' up aircraft. Wouldn't the RAAF like -'18' gear shoehorned.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyjxq...elated&search=
    The arms race between the US and Russia seems alive again.
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    Default Re: No F-22 for Australia

    mmmmmmm a hot rod f15 mmmmmmmmmmmm
    droooooooolllllll
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    Whatever happened to Class 12?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1oGV...%20call%202007

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUsWK...%20call%202007
    Never a dull day.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXYgo...%20call%202007
    They know everything so Im led to believe.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEbvZdk2GTU
    Was that flown by a Samurai? They sure like the old girl.
    I love Japanese commentary. I wish that girl could
    say that commentary in person. Give me 5 SU27's
    and around 60ft to play around.

    Still not brave enough to take the Sukhoi into a 40g
    dive of death but.
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    Default Re: No F-22 for Australia

    The Russian vs the American bird of prey

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLLNWGoOCbg
    simply....

    I hope that day never happens.
    Very poetic with a message.

    I like the ending playing chicken at 1000kmph...

    Why has'nt my F-15 got Slammers not kruddy old Sparrows!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JViYZKTELMs
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    Default Re: No F-22 for Australia

    In the skies over Germany
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITRLk9b9AcY
    not so long ago.

    2 vs 50 .

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jET7z...eature=related
    not everybody flies F-15's and a great commercial lol- keep up the good work and testing- lol

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKY2Q...eature=related
    Wassup by the USN.
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    To set the record straight on some of these reports circulating at present.
    Yes its faulty parts and they can be fixed. Though stress cracks should
    have been noticed earlier.

    Quote-
    Whis isn't just about one pilot in one aircraft with one bad part," General Corley said. "I have a fleet that is 100 percent fatigued, and 40 percent of that has bad parts. The long-term future of the F-15 is in question."

    It would be a crying shame to put the Eagle out to pasture do to no fault
    of it own except for parts reliability which naturally can be improved. We
    could buy a few off them and fix them up. Afterall the airforce cannot
    have the $$$ to replaced F-15's one for one with new F-22's which cost
    ten times the amount per aircraft...
    Running out or airframes im afraid.
    http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123081759

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tFX7...eature=related
    Fight for life. Outnumbered and outgunned. 6v1.
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    Saw part of a Doco on the F35 Lightning. Comes in three versions re Navy requirements carriers, normal config and hover ability. It's claimed as a bomber, strike fighter and air to air The main test pilot likened it to a F1.11 re distance fuel ability, armaments loads and all weather, night and day etc. but faster, far more manouverable combined with its stealth ability. He reckoned it was able to penetrate a countries defence systems and the first they would know of it was the sudden destruction and the fact it had been and gone. Single motor job. The same Doco showed a few other new coming aircraft as well. One was replacing the Hercules and it is more manouverable, can land/take off shorter, even land in a level paddock etc., and can carry more than four times the weight of the Herc. There were a few others but I was too busy to see the program right through.

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    There is a saying I know from somewhere- always underrate yourself, never play your cards and keep a eye on your opponent. Let him have all the glory

    http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/...er_combat.html

    There was another DACT with the Indian AF in 2005- however the Eagles
    were forced into a non BVR battle and were outnumbered 10/8-1. Even
    with the odds stacked against them- and with numerous 'advantages'
    disabled it was'nt all that bad. Except for a gimmick to sell more F-22's.
    It would be easier to say the F-15 fleet is getting old like the Sr71 and even
    though it still more than capable time is not on its side after 2015 unless
    a major refit happens.

    There was another one in Alaska with a group of battle hardened F-15
    jockeys against the F-22. All except for a few of them have ever flown
    against one before and had their asses handed to them except for
    2 pilots who beat the F-22. The tactics of course would be a closely
    guarded secret and it also provided the pilots with new skills on how
    to deal with 5th generation aircraft should they ever face them.
    Id love to put a F-15 ACTIVE against a F-22 in a guns only battle...

    As for JSF its not even in stage II testing yet and aeronautical terms
    it a glorofied phototype. Maybe by 2010 it should be closer to the real
    deal. Unless it gets cancelled and more F-22s are built instead- a better
    option instead of having a two tier force- again.
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    We missed out on the F-15 as well?
    Well- we tried our best even old Mr.Gates liked the idea till im sure somebody from Washington said the polite no word. I don't think its not so much Australia being trusted more like the deal will make Isreal and Japan cranky. Though when you think the amount of espionage coming from these two countries- its little wonder. Considering we send our best scientists to help the US out I think
    its time they reciprocated.

    http://news.smh.com.au/us-defence-se...0224-1uck.html
    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/2008022...3c8ed92_2.html

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...lia-jets_N.htm
    http://www.australianflyingcorps.org...the_f22_raptor

    Congress still holds the lock and key.


    Quote-
    US Defence Secretary Robert Gates said Sunday he will look into F-22 fighters for Australia but made no promises to lobby the US Congress to lift a ban on foreign sales of the most advanced US fighter.

    Gates said he would pursue it when he returns to Washington next week "given the importance that our Australian friends attach to it," but he said he did not know if it was realistic to expect action to lift the export restrictions.

    "Because we have not had the ability to sell the F-22, to be honest I haven't delved into all the reasons for that -- what the complications would be, the questions about whether a new design would be required for export," he told reporters here.

    "I just need to go back and get better educated on this and in concert with the secretary of state decide if this is a matter that we should pursue with the Congress," he said.

    Defence Minister Joel Fitzgibbon said at a news conference with Gates Saturday that Australia wanted the opportunity to consider the F-22 as part of a review of the country's air capabilities.
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    Chair Flying! From Amateur to Professional anybody can be just like us.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EFzL...eature=related

    Doing the split S could be difficult.

    The scary thing is they could be flying fast jets one day- yikes!
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    hmmm so no f22 for aus what else is there left the jsf i doubt whould out perform an f16.
    could you get an f15 active with f22 avionics that whould be interesting heavy weight durability light weight speed.
    only problem whould be lack of stealth.
    is there anther aircraft that from usa that will better the fa 18 super hornet as its a waste of money.
    fit late model f14 tomcat engines to the f111 for better fuel. as interm there cheap straght from the scrap yard and straght bolt in as the f14 had the f111 engine till mid 80's
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    Well I think we should get the F-15C blueprints of Boeing (I prefer the alchemy masters of McDonnell Douglas) and get the NASA STOL plans. Fit F-22 engines and your have a far better and sexier aircraft. You could make nearly 10 F-15 STOLs for the price of 1 F-22. Not to mention they could take off in very short runways- small local roads if necessary if our runways are getting bombed during WWIII.
    It will be lighter and have a far high power to weight ratio than a F-22 and also be much easier to fix in battlefield conditions.

    We would build a better fighter than the F-22 in pure dogfight capability. The NASA F-15 had many avionics than landed in the F-22. I sure they have been put in a dogfight and they have not released the details. Gun-track and kill-lol Not to mention the F-15 is built like a tank and has many advanced features well past its supposed -3 +9g design. It would match and surpass the SU-35 in dogfight capability.
    When you consider the Su27 is a rebuilt to a Su35 the F-15 can do the same as well and surpass it.
    Fitted with a school of Slammers and Asraams it would be a flying nightmare which could also carry a heavy bombload if necessary
    as well.

    My only minor criticism of the near perfect STOL design are the canards which I would make retractable in high speed flight to
    reduce drag.

    I don't know if I've flown one but I can say she is the best thing around
    minus well you know.

    As for stealth capability why don't we go one step higher - 'cloaking'. If you can block out the light spectrum by fitting a particular skin to your aircraft a F-22 won't see you till its too late. With powerful ECM jammers you can burn or damage your opponents radar equipment as well. AESA radars are also passive. Not only he will be blinded and knocked out he will not know where you are. Stealth can be tracked and its only a matter of time till our opponent works out how to track them. Then stealth technology will be moot- just like high supersonic tech of the 50's and stealth of the 70's we need to move to a new level.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ELSpeedo View Post
    the flying sam site- never heard of it?
    illaborate.

    The F-22 and F-15 are both hunters- the F-22 has a secondary strike role.
    THE JSF is by name a strike-fighter- like a F-18/F-16 but with stealth.

    The JSF is still a very good plane but the RAAF could ask for a F-22.
    F-15's are the F-22's little brother and form the backbone of air
    superiority still and the F-22 is the pointy end.
    Up until the agreement was signed on the F18s, the French gave us excellent
    back up support service in the hope of us chosing the Mirage 2000 but once the
    deal was done, they pulled out all but two staff!


    Did you know that before the F18s, we were offered a contract for double that number
    in used F14 Tommys and 25 years spare parts back up?
    I think that was a better deal - would you pass up a stick in one of those?
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    Stop belly aching everybody, Bloody blue orchids get all the best new gear made specifically for the job they are here for. Poor old senior service gets diddly squat. Some coastal surveilance butter box's, a couple of rusting hulk to transport mangoes in and some slow game fishing boats. TO think we could of had 5 Ticonderoga Class DDG's for the cost of 4 FFG's but the airforce needed new planes..............

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    There's a disorganised management running the RAAF now, my brother retired at 55
    three years ago and was immediately asked to go back in uniform as no suitable replacements!!!
    He is now 58 and just about to leave Townsville after another three month stint.

    The Defence force drives out all its smart cookies into private enterprise.
    so there's a huge gravy train where ex-defence personnel return as high paid civillian advisors.
    Now the slash and burn artists are in Canberra, a lot of defence subcontractors will be getting
    nervous as Rudd and his gang will thow the baby out with the bath water and get rid of everyone.

    The experience and skills vacuum that will cause will devistate and stunt defence for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPD80 View Post
    Up until the agreement was signed on the F18s, the French gave us excellent
    back up support service in the hope of us chosing the Mirage 2000 but once the
    deal was done, they pulled out all but two staff!


    Did you know that before the F18s, we were offered a contract for double that number
    in used F14 Tommys and 25 years spare parts back up?
    I think that was a better deal - would you pass up a stick in one of those?
    There is a old saying I heard somewhere-
    fighter pilots make movies
    bomber pilots make history

    Back in '77'78- I think they looked at the Tomcat. Due to the CIA backed
    Iran debacle and the Delta Force tragic disaster that later ensued the Tomcats
    were sent to the USN- Who at the time of defense spending
    was just waiting for Ronalds special pen. The Tomcat is a long range
    interceptor (afterall it and the F-111 share similar design traits.)
    It has more in comparison with its Russian counterpart the Mig31 Foxhound.
    Due to SU-27's entering potential fleet use- close range ir fighting would
    be rather hazardous to your health. Super Hornet has solve those problems
    however it has no long range capability. A very good Tomcat pilot could
    take on a SU-27 also like when the Mig25 Foxbat came in service it
    retired allot of ageing US marques for newer models. Hence the modern-
    4th generation- F14,F-15, F-16 & F-18. The 5th Generation planes-
    F-22, JSF, SU-37 planes are still in low numbers and with new designs-
    raturally new problems. Considering most fleets are 4th generation-
    why not build more 4th generation airframes. New avoinics and hey
    a more affordable force multiplier. The Russians do this and thats the
    secret to the 'newer' fleet.

    They in a close turning dogfight has the maneuverability better than a F-4 but
    a turn radius of a F-18 especially in a turning fight. A diving fight pattern
    could be used however the Hornet with its roll radius rate will be in
    a advantageous position if he knows how to do them.

    I always thought the F-15 was our original choice. Cater saw no problems
    with it since it already was going into Isreali and Japanese skies- even
    Saudia Arabian. The pilots choices and the gearheads was the F-15, F-18,
    F-14 & F-16. If anything we could have had f-16s if the f-18 deal did
    not go through as by 1981 due to price concerns with the US dollar
    the Hornet was picked. We anyway have got our monies worth on
    the Hornet and when you consider the Mirages were made by the French
    who were terrible for parts support- so the dreaded words of 'improv'
    are used.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm6Np7H_Y9U
    Hello Janet. Thats A Plane I would like to fly.
    Advanced Pulse Detonation Engine- hydrogen- scramjet?
    Significant material changes?


    I wonder what the Russians are working on. Im sure they
    have a American equivalent of Area 51. Advanced laser
    weaponry perhaps. I think its in one of the islands near
    Sakhalin Is group?

    Quote-
    The Air Force and Secretary Cohen tend to duck the question of the F-22's affordability, retorting that buying F-15s instead would save virtually no money. But F-15s cost $50 million apiece, less than half the estimated price of an F-22. Souping up the F-15 with more advanced capabilities could make it more expensive, it is true—but still nowhere near as costly as the F-22. More to the point, there is little need to do so.

    The Desert Storm operation against Iraq in 1991 graphically demonstrated the extent of American air dominance. The U.S.-led multinational coalition lost a total of 38 fixed-wing aircraft in the Persian Gulf War—an extremely low toll by historical standards. Even more impressive, and even more relevant to the F-22 debate, is the fact that only one coalition plane was shot down in an air-to-air encounter. The Air Force's premier fighter, the F-15C, flew 6,000 missions without a single combat loss.

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    http://www.defensetech.org/archives/004379.html
    F-15s are going green.

    Quote-
    History was made at Robins Air Force Base this week as an F-15 Eagle flew at more than twice the speed of sound using a blend of synthetic fuel.

    The Aug. 19 flight was the world's first test of a high performance fighter aircraft powered by a 50-50 mix of traditional JP-8 jet fuel and a synthetic using natural gas as a source.

    http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/imag...ng-highres.jpg
    Complicated game of Lego.
    http://gizmodo.com/5021998/build-you...ii-fighter-jet

    The flying experience now goes widescreen- lol
    Though if your plane gets shot up I hope they have good
    old dials as well.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5Abp...eature=related
    F-15 vs Mig-25

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=moX6Lp...eature=related
    Thats another hobby of mine- backyard jet building.

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9mdsi7T3ajI#
    A slightly more modern engine at spool at Lakenheath....

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mQNUrY...eature=related
    More fun than dyno'n a car engine.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Tqw...eature=related
    Jet engines for dummies.
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    http://blog.wired.com/defense/2009/0...he-pentag.html
    The F-22 production goes into low gear or a complete stop?

    At current rates the F-22 is not going to replace the F-15 on
    a 1 for 1 ratio as originally envisioned. Though with this decision
    does that mean the more updated F-15 Eagle variants- STOL
    Eagle and Stealth Eagle see production. NASA STOL F-15
    after all has had most of the electronics the F-22 inherited
    apart from the stealth goodies and fancier computing...

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    Article Abstract:

    An Air Force-commissioned study conducted by Boeing Co has concluded that the cost of building an F-15 Eagle fighter can be cut by 50%, thus making it less expensive to build new Eagles than maintain old ones. The study found that that the Air National Guard would save between $6.5 billion and $8.9 billion over a 20-year period by acquiring new redesigned F-15C aircraft instead of taking old ones from the Air Force and upgrading them, as called for by existing plans.

    a F-15C with a newer airframe/ engines- canards and thrust vectoring and F-22 like avionics would murder a SU-35 and ask for more
    which they can already do...probably with a bit more finesse. The F-15 fleet now not being able to be retire should
    be revived with new aircraft so they can go well beyond 2025. With the STOL update F-15s will no longer need
    big airbases to operate (like the F-22)- a small road will be plenty Also the advantage the single seat model
    has over the two seat model is the you don't need a annoying navigator you can get on with the business of
    spreading Russian rubbish over the skies of the Ukraine and that it can take more G forces and the E model
    is compromised in the air ground role and being now FBW like the Mig 29 it can pull many more G forces.
    Proving that analogue hydraulics ain't such a bad thing.

    http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/...90317a_nr.html

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1239710730741
    If Isreal cannot get the F-22- the Stealthy F-15 is the next best thing.

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    According to media reports, the new F-15SE will cost less and could arrive in Israel as early as 2011.

    Maybe the Isrealis have data the the JSF is a overweight Guppy that digital dude
    could not turn if God made it turn.

    There is also an option to upgrade existing F-15s to the Silent Eagle model at a much lower cost. The US Air National Guard
    is also considering upgrading existing aircraft instead of purchasing new fifth-generation planes like the JSF and the F-22.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwTXP...eature=related
    Clarkson vs the F-15.

    F-18 vs Mig29
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyP2m...eature=related
    Luftwaffe Mig29 vs Swiss F-18

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmIQA...eature=related
    F-16 MATV vs the F22. Tough fight up close im sure. the STOL F-15 could
    handle like a WWI plane at low speeds...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ8WCzhDWXI&NR=1
    The super F-18 the HARV.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iClN0...eature=related
    Multiple redundancy is not just the F22 domain- the AFTI F-16- voice commands like the fictional Firefox- lol

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6TyT...eature=related
    Why test flying is so dangerous. No room for error up above.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlCu6...eature=related
    The XB-70 designed to get to Moscow quickly. As for returning home, that would be another question.
    Probably the second prettiest plane ever built. Puuuuuure Titanium

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa-w6...eature=related
    Airliners learning from their faster cousins. Its wing design would make it quiter as well as faster. Close to or better
    than supersonic perhaps?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHuBs...eature=related
    Mach 6.7 and heat related damage.

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/Nation...964730807.html
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    The F-15 was found to have almost all the same features of the JSF, except some of the aircraft's stealth capabilities.(not any more)...

    But even those stealth capabilities were played down, as Australia would only get aircraft which much lower stealth abilities than those flown by the United States Air Force.
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    Default Re: No F-22 for Australia

    Saw this on youtube, an old movie clip with B52 taking off a 15 second intervals.
    Elspeedo, do you think are they using wide-cut jet fuel or is that just old tech thruster jets?

    Boeing B-52G Stratofortress Minimum Interval Take Off (MITO) Better Quality

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