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tfcortinanut
23-09-2011, 08:49 PM
Today I saw the tow bar Trimotive have developed for the Mazda Bt-50 and its an awesome piece of kit, we fitted it up to a T6 and compared to the Ford bar it's in a different world, rumour is Ford will be swapping over to it at some stage once the bar is ready for production.

Aquahead2001
25-09-2011, 02:12 PM
More than a rumour, I spoke with a Ford engineer a few weeks back and he advised that Ford had a Ranger at specialist company getting a new tow bar designed. He said that they were aware they stuffed up the towbar and had heeded the complaints that have been floating about on forums and also the ranger challenge.

As I'm waiting for a Wildtrak, I'm hoping the new tow bar will arrive prior to the wildtrak and thus be fitted to mine!

Love to see a happy snap????

PaulST
25-09-2011, 03:48 PM
I don't understand why these things aren't picked up during the process? Everyone who saw the Ranger at the motor show thought there was something wrong so why didn't some Ford engineer do that a year ago?

STRANGER69
30-09-2011, 08:23 PM
I don't understand why these things aren't picked up during the process? Everyone who saw the Ranger at the motor show thought there was something wrong so why didn't some Ford engineer do that a year ago?yeah it just seems so bloomimg obvious doesnt it,having a look at those excellent reviews you posted paul, and looking at the car from the rear it looks so tacky and an afterthought,a big chunk of square tubing hanging half way to the ground,oh well least there rectifying it.

Aquahead2001
05-10-2011, 08:01 AM
I don't understand why these things aren't picked up during the process? Everyone who saw the Ranger at the motor show thought there was something wrong so why didn't some Ford engineer do that a year ago?

I assume that the 4WD validation team and the towing team were seperate teams and the 4Wd team didn't get a Ranger with a towbar! As soon as I saw that horror I was worried that it would be a problem, not only from a looks point of view but also from a reduced departure angle. There's been a lot said on other forums about it and a even on the Ranger Challenge, it caused some issues and the Ford Engineering Team went away thinking they had to do something.

Sometimes the obvious things can get missed, that's why its not uncommon for vehicles to have a recall because of some glitch or missed issue.

Could be a lot worse, they may have told us all to bugger off and left it that way, at least they have taken note of the punter's concerns and are doing something about it! Thanks Ford!

I just went and did a websearch for Trimotive and have come away very happy! Nice to know that the they have gone to the tow bar experts!

tfcortinanut
13-10-2011, 11:16 PM
As I'm waiting for a Wildtrak, I'm hoping the new tow bar will arrive prior to the wildtrak and thus be fitted to mine!

Love to see a happy snap????

Sorry, Cannot do happy snaps just yet. however I put down a deposit on mine today (3.2/6speed auto open cab 4x2). Will offer it to be a guinea pig at work for suspension/brake/engine development so it will also get a tow bar too, That I will be able to take pics of.

Elements
13-10-2011, 11:40 PM
I assume that the 4WD validation team and the towing team were seperate teams and the 4Wd team didn't get a Ranger with a towbar! As soon as I saw that horror I was worried that it would be a problem, not only from a looks point of view but also from a reduced departure angle. There's been a lot said on other forums about it and a even on the Ranger Challenge, it caused some issues and the Ford Engineering Team went away thinking they had to do something.

Sometimes the obvious things can get missed, that's why its not uncommon for vehicles to have a recall because of some glitch or missed issue.

Could be a lot worse, they may have told us all to bugger off and left it that way, at least they have taken note of the punter's concerns and are doing something about it! Thanks Ford!

I just went and did a websearch for Trimotive and have come away very happy! Nice to know that the they have gone to the tow bar experts!

I'm not impressed with them, but I've had dealings with them from the view of a car company... :p (not going to discuss further on a public forum) At least they're not as bad as Hayman-Reese, their parent company's aftermarket division.

Trimotive do a fair bit of towbar work for Ford anyway, plus side steps for Territory, etc. So this leads to my next question: Who manufactured the original (read: pox) PX Ranger one? It seems to look like it has some characteristics of a Trimotive made bar...

tfcortinanut
14-10-2011, 12:00 AM
I'm not impressed with them, but I've had dealings with them from the view of a car company... :p (not going to discuss further on a public forum) At least they're not as bad as Hayman-Reese, their parent company's aftermarket division.

Trimotive do a fair bit of towbar work for Ford anyway, plus side steps for Territory, etc. So this leads to my next question: Who manufactured the original (read: pox) PX Ranger one? It seems to look like it has some characteristics of a Trimotive made bar...

ford designed the PX bar, Trimotive are fixing it.

Elements
14-10-2011, 11:06 AM
ford designed the PX bar, Trimotive are fixing it.

Designed I can understand completely. But who made that rubbish bar for Ford?

Edit: Ford would design, and someone would develop it to make sure it's fit for OE (bench and dynamic tests), and then produce it... The latter 2 steps is what I'm wondering... These parts are outsourced to companies (mostly Trimotive, also a couple of smaller ones) for manufacture.

tfcortinanut
14-10-2011, 09:24 PM
Designed I can understand completely. But who made that rubbish bar for Ford?

Edit: Ford would design, and someone would develop it to make sure it's fit for OE (bench and dynamic tests), and then produce it... The latter 2 steps is what I'm wondering... These parts are outsourced to companies (mostly Trimotive, also a couple of smaller ones) for manufacture.
Trimotive had nothing to do with that Ford bar in either design or manufacture.

dingo dan
12-11-2011, 09:19 PM
Ive bought a new xlt and Im waiting for delivery. If it comes with that poor excuse for a towbar, is ford going to do anything for existing owners when they get a new bar. I saw the one fittted to a BT50 and its great. I just dont like spending another $500 to change what ford should have done. Aside from that I think it will be a great ute. I come from a D40 Navara and tow 3 tons 90% of the time.

Aquahead2001
13-11-2011, 10:43 AM
Welcome to the Forum Dingo Dan, from the reports coming out of Thailand, all vehicles manufactured there are being delayed due to the flooding. I have received a letter from Ford advising delays to Ranger deliveries but not on how long a delay. The towbars will no doubtedly be manufactured elsewhere and are probably caught up in the same floods. To be honest, I think Ford will say, you got a free towbar, what are you complaining about?

I was talking to some Ford Engineers a week or so back and they advised the Mazda towbar is poorly mounted and heats up to the point where its a health and safety issue Ford would not risk. Having said that what was wrong with adding a short tail pipe extension to allow the exhaust gases to clear the tow bar? I actually did this with my PJ Ranger XLT as I was sick of the soot build up on the towbar.

Davehoos
13-11-2011, 02:19 PM
not aware of towbar issue-but im not sprised.
ive had 4 people ask to look out for a decent bar for the previous courier.
the exhaust issue has been around forever-police rodeo had resonance and exhauste gas issues with paddy wagons-and comes back to the poor design issue by the work experience boys.

the only one ive seen was built-engineered locally to tow a large twin horse trailer.
or has a step to get up on the ladder rack on an electricity cab chasis.

landrover-pajero-landcruiser-patrol at least to a few years ago if not now had tow mounts on the chasis.is it just assumed that asian buyers dont use towbars.
like dutch buyers assume it will tow a caravan.

Davehoos
14-11-2011, 05:15 PM
had a look today-several cab chasis at work.all had a step fitted over the ball.

the bar is mounted at the same height as the spare tyre.departure angle is reduced due to the goosneck,and these are pernamently fitted to give axcess to the tray.the soot on the bar was so thick i had to wipe down to read the plate.by fitting the bar low its in direct line of the exhaust and a straight endwould go over the bar.

the bar is almost the same poor design as the toyota and older couriers.our toyota ute are far worse as they use the same bar for 4X2 and 4X4 and turn the gooseneck over.and we often get utes stuck on rear to curb parking.

I read the plate and what it states is for 3 ton you need load levelers and different goosnecks--the work utes are very poor rated.

I talked to the drivers about the bar-and other than a box trailer or boat you wouldnt bother with the vehicle.

I looked at several XLT on the coast when driving and its this set up that you wouldnt want to seen with.
several i saw parked in main streets had none fitted.

the square bar should be raised 100mm the goosneck insert could be fitted under the bar as its behind the tyre.
my disco gooseneck is fitted at an angle to assist departure and that makes it harder to get specialist fittings.
most chains hang under the bar and we constantly replace D shakles.

tfcortinanut
20-11-2011, 01:00 PM
Welcome to the Forum Dingo Dan, from the reports coming out of Thailand, all vehicles manufactured there are being delayed due to the flooding. I have received a letter from Ford advising delays to Ranger deliveries but not on how long a delay. The towbars will no doubtedly be manufactured elsewhere and are probably caught up in the same floods. To be honest, I think Ford will say, you got a free towbar, what are you complaining about?

I was talking to some Ford Engineers a week or so back and they advised the Mazda towbar is poorly mounted and heats up to the point where its a health and safety issue Ford would not risk. Having said that what was wrong with adding a short tail pipe extension to allow the exhaust gases to clear the tow bar? I actually did this with my PJ Ranger XLT as I was sick of the soot build up on the towbar.

I was told about a month delay out of AAT, they themselves have not been effected by the floods but suppliers have. The towbars are made at Trimotive and they are not effected by the flood.

Amusing the ford engineers critic the trimotive bar considering they poor excuse they created, I'll pass along the comment to Trimotive though as Iam sure they will have a hearty chuckle.

Davehoos
20-11-2011, 05:33 PM
got a new hilux this week.
the towbar is made in many pieces then bolted together.

Aquahead2001
21-11-2011, 08:10 AM
got a new hilux this week.
the towbar is made in many pieces then bolted together.

Seeing the Hilux is rated at nearly 1 tonne less than the PX Ranger in towing capacity, I'd guess the bolting solution is acceptable to Toyota.

Davehoos
21-11-2011, 11:00 AM
Hilux is 2300+ in NSW-we rating these for work at 1750-this has more to do with other issues.
what is different is the bar bolts to a light crash section in the chasis and the standared toyota banjo rear axle wouldnt be rated at much more than it currenly is loaded--we replace diffs at 60 000KM with utes legally flat towing more than 2ton.and found other companies only buying autos.

my landrover is 4 ton in NSW and 5.5 ton in other countries--genuine bar bolts together with forged parts.
the haymen bar i have the main section is welded like the toyota but this is to reduce cost.

however bolt together bars require servicing when used and a trained worker to do so.also the possibility of the bar being modified without recomplience.

My hino has a haymen that has the steel cross tube rated at 4.5 towball load and 9.5 trailer load.i tow up to 3ton.the cross tube is loose
inserted into a plate with with a simple cut hole.welding holds it in place from sideways movement but not pull and lifting forces.
the toyota inserts into the side plates and has 3 decent bolts each side.